Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:23am:






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makes 'lawful' [and encourages extreme violence and] the murder of those who do not believe, as moslems believe.

e.g.
The law of ISLAM, declares all mankind who reject ISLAM, to be the servants of SATAN, and therefore WORTHY OF DEATH. [Koran 4.74-76]




"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


".......And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123



Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC LAW, makes 'lawful', the killing of those who do not believe, as moslems believe.


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."






....IS BEING TAUGHT TO MOSLEM CHILDREN - IN AUSTRALIA - TODAY - AS BEING A 'LAWFUL' CONDITION FOR A 'SOCIETY'.

AND THAT POSITION IS BEING TAUGHT TO MOSLEM CHILDREN - IN AUSTRALIA -, BY MAINSTREAM ISLAM, AND BY THE MAINSTREAM MOSLEM COMMUNITY.      [....blatant and bare faced denials withstanding!]

e.g.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:12am:



K,

I am an extremist.

I've been radicalised, by studying ISLAM and by reading ISLAM's foundation religious texts [and by observing the 'rightly guided' behaviour of moslems].



http://thereligionofpeace.com/




K,

Can't you see, that Yadda is yet another victim of the rampant ISLAMOPHOBIA that we see everywhere !!!


K,

I need your support and sympathy!!!!







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4





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THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

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K,

THE MOSLEMS, ARE HERE IN AUSTRALIA TOO!!!!


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Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.




K,

by the presence of all of the moslems in Australia, that i am surrounded by!!!!

                                      

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:23am:


I don’t want to offend, Y.

But how’s this for an example of spineless apologism?

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freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:


Aww poor FD, does seem to have a bee in his bonnet about this one.

Simple definition:

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/extremist

There, that wasn't so hard was it? A simple definition.

FD regularly advocates measures in relation to free speech that are 'beyond the norm'. Most people demonstrably advocate laws to protect people from offense or insults based on their religion, FD obviously disagrees. FD has made it clear he does not believe we need laws to protect against the very real threat of racial/ethnic/religious vilification. He eventually clarified that the only restriction on free speech that should be in force is the public safety one (yelling fire in a theatre) and a direct and specific threat to someone. This leaves out the whole notion of hate speech - the banning of which is very much supported by the Australian community, and is therefore "the norm". Even to the point where he stood up for people's right to march down the street calling for people who dared criticise a religion to be beheaded. The Australian community demonstrably also support the imposition of certain 'thought crimes' - such as the unlawfulness of holocaust denial. Poor FD has to perform some pretty strenuous mental acrobatics to apologise and obfuscate this one - since its not a "muslim issue" - but this would obviously be right at the top of his list of things that are the most egregious attack on our freedoms.

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 9:55am:


Gee, Y, if I was saying that, you'd be saying Muslims can't be middle class, educated professionals.

All the Iranians I've met in Australia are not religious Muslims. The women do not wear headscarves. Many of the men were communists before the revolution.

And yet, they still identify as Muslims, they just don't take it seriously. I identify as a Christian because I was baptised as a child. You identify as a Christian although your beliefs are completely different to the teachings of Christ.

Moslem = a follower of Islam.

But I can tell you now, most Muslims do not follow the teachings of Islam. Many drink, many give no alms to the poor, many have home loans when ursury is prohibited in Islam.

The Moslems you see protesting with the beheading signs are often doing the exact opposite of what the imams instruct their followers to do. The influential imams usually try to prevent Muslim protests because they know they'll get negative publicity. The established imams and Muslim community leaders are inherently conservative and risk adverse.

Your black and white, hierarchical, brainwashed take on Islam in Australia is so far from the truth you don't realize how hilarious it sounds.

How do I know all this? I work with Muslims. I live in a neighbourhood with Muslims. I visit Muslim services and shops.

You get your information from Jihadwatch. How do you know all that?

You don't. Most of your information is foreign, and much of it has been proven to be a hoax.

This does not mean that there are no radical and dangerous Muslims in Australia. There are a few, and by all accounts, the Muslim community is doing what it can to prevent them. It is not in the interest of established Muslim families, businesses and leaders to rail against Australian institutions or support terrorism overseas. Their interest lies in attaching themselves to the status quo and keeping the Muslim community in line. They generally do everything they can to show how Australian they are and prove what good citizens they are.

Regardless of all this, most Muslim immigrants do not visit mosques, do not practice Islam in any fundamentalist way, and do not observe the rules and rituals very fastidiously, if at all. Some fast at Ramadan. Some don't. Most don't wear headscarves, but this usually depends on their country of origin. Malaysian Muslim women, for example, usually wear headscarves. Turks often don't (the younger ones, anyway). Very few Afghani or Iranian women I've encountered do.

Islam is not a uniform or hierarchical entity. Muslims themselves are not brainwashed dupes. Some are - most aren't. The ones who are do not get their views from the Muslim establishment. They refer to "shiek Google" as the imams are keen to point out.

Australia is not Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or even the UK. Just as you, as a Karmic Khristian, have very different views to your prophet Jesus, most Muslims practice the value systems they've grown up in and feel comfortable with.

Gud is great, no?

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 9:33pm:


You mean evidence? Sure, FD.

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It’s all there.