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A Muslim defines extremism...
Oct 30^th, 2014 at 7:23pm

I think Gandalf has said this sort of thing a few times now. For someone always banging on about Muslims being unfairly tarnished by the "tiny minority" it is an odd stance to take.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 28^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

You are an extremist, and you are a hypocrite.

Going against what a majority of Australians believe about balancing freedom with protecting minorities makes you an extremist - by simple definition.

Anyone care to guess what this "simple definition" is?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39525 Gender:	Re: A Muslim defines extremism... Reply #1 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 7:37pm I don't see any big problem. Gandalfs view is if you are not with the majority you are an extremist. I disagree with that, but ..... so what ?
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92405 Gender:	Re: A Muslim defines extremism... Reply #2 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 9:19pm I’m not sure, FD. Is the answer Freeedom?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: A Muslim defines extremism... Reply #3 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 10:47pm freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 7:23pm: Anyone care to guess what this "simple definition" is? Not being a 'moderate, mainstream Muslim'?
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92405 Gender:	Re: A Muslim defines extremism... Reply #4 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 10:56pm We give up, FD. What’s the answer?
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Reply #5 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 10:56pm

Whenever i hear a spokesman for a moslem community condemn 'terrorism' and 'extremism', i am always put on my guard, by these deceitful utterances [by 'the moslem'].

Why so ?

Because moslems redefine [i.e. corrupt] the meaning of common English words, so that common English words/statements that moslems utter publicly, no longer give those words the same meaning, as the listeners may imagine.

Instead, the common English words which 'the moslem' can be heard to utter, mean what moslems want those statements to mean, so as to serve the nefarious purpose of 'the moslem'....

e.g.
Moslems define the English word 'peace',       as obedience to ISLAM, Allah's perfect religion.

Moslems define the English word 'extremism',       as opposing the views of moslems.

Moslems define the English word 'terrorism',       as the act of opposing the spread of the [violent] influence ISLAM [i.e. the spread of the influence Sharia law].

So that whenever 'the moslem' declares that he seeks and supports peace among mankind....

'THE MOSLEM' IS SAYING, THAT HE WANTS TO SEE THE SPREAD OF ISLAM!

And whenever 'the moslem' declares that he is against extremism....

'THE MOSLEM' IS SAYING, HE IS SAYING THAT 'EXTREMISTS', ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICAL OF THE SPREAD OF ISLAM!

And whenever 'the moslem' declares that he is against terrorism.....

'THE MOSLEM' IS SAYING THAT 'TERRORISTS' ARE PEOPLE WHO ACTIVELY OPPOSE THE SPREAD OF ISLAM [e.g. counter-terror police]!

e.g.

[ISLAM teaches the moslem that] Those who oppose violent Jihad, are 'terrorists'...

Quote:

Bashir calls bombers 'counter-terrorists'
June 26, 2007
HARDLINE Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir said today that extremists blamed for Indonesian bombings were role models for other Muslims and feted them as "counter-terrorists."
"There are no terrorists in Indonesia. What there are, are counter-terrorists," Bashir said.
......But he called on Indonesian Muslims to refrain from accusing people of terrorism, saying it would be tantamount to assisting the US.
Bashir spoke at a press conference to announce plans, together with 13 lawyers from the "Team for the Defence of Muslims," to file a suit demanding that Indonesia's counter-terrorism police unit be disbanded.
Lawyer Munarman alleged that the counter-terrorism squad was financed opaquely by the US, sought to make war against Islam and used torture to secure admissions from suspects.
He also said that the squad was discriminatory as it only acted against Muslims, adding the team planned to file the suit on tomorrow at the South Jakarta district court.
Bashir has redoubled his efforts to get Sharia law enforced in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, since his release from prison.

old, dead link; http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21973518-23109,00.html

Google;
"There are no terrorists in Indonesia. What there are, are counter-terrorists,"

Do you remember the Bali bombings ?

Indonesian ISLAMIC cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, is talking about the people who committed teh Bali bombings atrocities.

And Abu Bakar Bashir, describes those persons as 'counter-terrorists' !!!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92405 Gender:	Re: A Muslim defines extremism... Reply #6 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 11:02pm Oh, Y, a "spokesman" from the Moslem community would never condemn terrorism. As if that will ever happen.
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Reply #7 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 11:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 28^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

You are an extremist, and you are a hypocrite.

Going against what a majority of Australians believe about balancing freedom with protecting minorities makes you an extremist - by simple definition.

Why should a minority group be protected, if that group has no virtue [to the values held by the majority] ?

I am against giving a minority group preferential treatment or special protection.

Society is made up of individuals, and individuals within the group, should have both [agreed] rights and [agreed] obligations [to the group].

If any individual [or group of individuals] acts to the harm of the majority, then they [i.e. an individual or group of individuals] should be viewed as teh extremists, imo.

One law for all.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #8 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 11:34pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:

Oh, Y, a "spokesman" from the Moslem community would never condemn terrorism.

"spokesman" from the Moslem community have condemned 'terrorism'.

Many, many times.

But 'the moslem' invariably couches his words deceitfully, ALWAYS.

'The moslem' is attempting to rape my intellect, with his lies and his deceit, so that 'the moslem' thinks that he has put me 'at ease', while he continues on, with his nefarious plans, for my destruction.

e.g.

A MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - blatant deceit
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

"We condemn the killing of all innocent civilians."

THE VERY SAME MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE
"...Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:
"Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar." "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article552594.ece

ANOTHER STATEMENT, BY 'THE MOSLEM', DEFINING WHO IS REGARDED [BY 'THE MOSLEM'] AS AN INNOCENT PERSON....

A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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K,

Why do you have such disdain for what is true ?

Did someone take away your sweety, when you were a child ?

You are mentally unhinged, imo.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #9 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 11:51pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 11:34pm:

K,

Why do you have such disdain for what is true ?

Did someone take away your sweety, when you were a child ?

You are mentally unhinged, imo.

K,

I know that it is futile to try to reason with a moslem [...or with a person such as yourself].

But i am not reasoning with 'the moslem', here, on OzPol.

I am posting my arguments [about the intent of moslems, and about what ISLAM is], so as to challenge people, who are NOT moslems.

Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92405 Gender:	Re: A Muslim defines extremism... Reply #10 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:04am I’m NOT a Moslem, Y. Do you want to challenge me? Moslem = a follower of Islam. Just don’t take away my sweetie. Sister’s given him his sleeper, so he won’t be up until.the morning.
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Reply #11 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:07am

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:04am:

I’m NOT a Moslem, Y. Do you want to challenge me?

Moslem = a follower of Islam.

Just don’t take away my sweetie. Sister’s given him his sleeper, so he won’t be up until.the morning.

Quote:

K,

I know that it is futile to try to reason with a moslem [...or with a person such as yourself].

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92405 Gender:	Re: A Muslim defines extremism... Reply #12 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:12am You keep trying, Y. You’re under orders from your prophet, remember. Quote: A Moslem is lower than a pig imo. Quote: Moslems should be forced to abandon Islam or face indefinite detention in the desert. Quote: Ban them.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20979 A cat with a view	Re: A Muslim defines extremism... Reply #13 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:19am Leonard Cohen - Story of Isaac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UeQPAjpqfk
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20979 A cat with a view	Re: A Muslim defines extremism... Reply #14 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:23am Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 12:12am: You keep trying, Y. You’re under orders from your prophet, remember. Quote: A Moslem is lower than a pig imo. Quote: Moslems should be forced to abandon Islam or face indefinite detention in the desert. Quote: Ban them. Why don't you use MY words ?
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