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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Patriotism v. Racism? Reply #60 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 5:08am Emma wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2014 at 1:30am: That would be really good you racist pommy arselicker Please explain.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Patriotism v. Racism? Reply #61 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 7:21am Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 5:08am: Emma wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2014 at 1:30am: That would be really good you racist pommy arselicker Please explain. you really want more verbal diarrhea..sheeeeeeeze
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Reply #62 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 10:58am

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 7:21am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 5:08am:

Emma wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2014 at 1:30am:

That would be really good you racist pommy arselicker

Please explain.

you really want more verbal diarrhea..sheeeeeeeze

"sheeeeeeze" a what?

Don't answer that. I know what she is. All heart and no brain.

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Reply #63 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:00pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Good post, cods.

It always frustrated me that the government seemed to think it was only a matter of teaching migrants to speak English that needed doing in order to make them assimilate as 'Australians'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

WAY more important has been the need to teach the various immigrant ethnicities the Do's and Don'ts of acceptable behaviour within the context of Australia's Anglo-Saxon social mores, values, and ethics.

In my personal experience over a period of 50 years as a visitor to your country, the discordant behaviour of migrants has been a source of endless irritation to my Anglo sensibilities.

But I'll say no more.

It always frustrated me that the government seemed to think it was only a matter of teaching migrants to speak English that needed doing in order to make them assimilate as 'Australians'.

It is a pretty good first step - they were never going to fit in when they couldn't talk to anyone.

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Reply #64 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:05pm

Emma wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2014 at 1:30am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Good post, cods.

It always frustrated me that the government seemed to think it was only a matter of teaching migrants to speak English that needed doing in order to make them assimilate as 'Australians'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

WAY more important has been the need to teach the various immigrant ethnicities the Do's and Don'ts of acceptable behaviour within the context of Australia's Anglo-Saxon social mores, values, and ethics.

In my personal experience over a period of 50 years as a visitor to your country, the discordant behaviour of migrants has been a source of endless irritation to my Anglo sensibilities.

But I'll say no more.

That would be really good you racist pommy arselicker

Herbie got owned.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57150 Here Gender:	Re: Patriotism v. Racism? Reply #65 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:06pm Is patriotism in this context more like nationalism, most here claiming to be patriots consistently show signs with a closer relation to nationalism. It should not be compulsory to be racist in order to be considered a patriot.
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Reply #66 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Is patriotism in this context more like nationalism, most here claiming to be patriots consistently show signs with a closer relation to nationalism.

It should not be compulsory to be racist in order to be considered a patriot.

Patriots aren't the type of people to fill the country up with people who don't fit in and never will.

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Reply #67 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:16pm

Emma wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2014 at 11:15pm:

see? Patriotism is all well and good.. NOT. Sad

I see Patriotism as an artificial means of segregating and encouraging divisive policies in Govt. Nothing more. ALL OVER THE WORLD. After all, nature hasn't made up these groupings of stakeholders.. WE HAVE.

NO real good can come from it... we probably mostly believe.. (at least here in the West) that our country is the best.

It is a puerile harmful and anti-human philosophy.

I need NOT draw you comparisons from History. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS SO.

But you see? perverse as we are as human beings, we will use any excuse to lay waste to our perceived enemies.

Women and children are locked up by us for undetermined/indefinite periods of time, in conditions I wouldn't put my DOG in. OR MY WORST ENEMY, for that matter.
We are stinking hypocrits egged on by patriotic BS and racist policies.

We are despicable. WE voted in this govt.. WE are responsible for the torturous conditons and deaths.

WHY..??

FEAR .. babies. That is it. YOU are so poo scared because YOU KNOW YOU have done nothing to deserve your precious place in this world. You were lucky where you were born..
You do not appreciate what you have... and you drag us aLL into the scum of malicious hateful spiteful fearful, and ultimately, destructive, nationalisn and racism.

Sad Sad VALE AUSTRALIA. Sad

George Orwell

Notes on Nationalism

Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. (1945)

Gist:
Fit in OR f**k off = patriotic (with attitude)

F**k off = nationalistic

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Patriotism v. Racism? Reply #68 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:37pm "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Samuel Johnson, April 7, 1775
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Bubba Zanetti Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 508 Gender:	Re: Patriotism v. Racism? Reply #69 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:39pm \|dev\|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:37pm: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Samuel Johnson, April 7, 1775 So all those blokes who fought in the wars were scoundrels then?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131487 Gender:	Re: Patriotism v. Racism? Reply #70 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:54pm Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:39pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:37pm: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Samuel Johnson, April 7, 1775 So all those blokes who fought in the wars were scoundrels then? Conscripts too?
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Reply #71 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 3:23pm

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Is patriotism in this context more like nationalism, most here claiming to be patriots consistently show signs with a closer relation to nationalism.

It should not be compulsory to be racist in order to be considered a patriot.

Patriots aren't the type of people to fill the country up with people who don't fit in and never will.

Patriots are more optimistic about the ability of people to add to the country than that - the trait you describe is more nationalistic. that is the one that is saying we are better than you and no you can not come here.

The Patriot is saying hey this is a great place why not come in and join us.

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Reply #72 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 3:56pm

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Samuel Johnson, April 7, 1775

Cheesy

So all those blokes who fought in the wars were scoundrels then?

Being deliberately obtuse again? What it doesn't mean is that all Patriots are scoundrels. What it does mean is that scoundrels will, as a last resort, hide behind patriotism. What a tool! Grin

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Reply #73 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 4:19pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 7:21am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 5:08am:

Emma wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2014 at 1:30am:

That would be really good you racist pommy arselicker

Please explain.

you really want more verbal diarrhea..sheeeeeeeze

"sheeeeeeze" a what?

Don't answer that. I know what she is. All heart and no brain.

you have better insight than I...

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Reply #74 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 4:24pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Samuel Johnson, April 7, 1775

Cheesy

So all those blokes who fought in the wars were scoundrels then?

Being deliberately obtuse again? What it doesn't mean is that all Patriots are scoundrels. What it does mean is that scoundrels will, as a last resort, hide behind patriotism. What a tool! Grin

So Orwell is now a scoundrel because of what Johnson said 250 years ago.

As long as you don't have to think you are happy.

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