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Why Politicians lie (3 part series)
Sep 18th, 2014 at 5:18pm
 
Politicians must choose to either stand up for what they believe or maximise their vote. To put it bluntly: they either lie or they lose




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ice-cream: just like playing politics.


Few expect politicians to tell the truth and few are particularly surprised or affected when lies are exposed. Why is this the universal experience of politics in most developed democracies? It turns out the answer is related to ice-cream.

Imagine you’re looking to set up an ice-cream stall on a beach. There is already one ice-cream stall on this beach and, sensibly, they have set up right in the middle (figure 1).

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figure 1.


Where is the best place to set up your new ice-cream stall? Most people’s intuitive answer is to suggest setting up at either A or B in figure 2.

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figure 2.


Assuming both stalls sell the same thing for the same price and people will simply buy from the closest stall, if you select location A or B, your share of the market will be 3/8, as illustrated in figure 3.

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figure 3.


However, if you set up as close to the existing stall as possible, your share of the market will be very close to one half (figure 4).

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figure 4.


This is in fact a classic example used in undergraduate economics textbooks illustrating the process for deciding the optimal location for a new retail outlet. But it’s also a perfect analogy for modern democratic politics if we substitute the beach for some measure of political spectrum such as left/right or authoritarian/libertarian.

When we plot this for US presidential elections, what happens?

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Political Compass graph of the 2012 presidential elections.


I’m using graphs from Political Compass for this comparison, but it doesn’t really matter which measures of political orientation you use – you get similar results. See where Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are? It’s just like the two ice-cream stalls on the beach. How about the Australian federal election in 2013?

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Political Compass graph of the parties running in the 2013 Australian federal elections.


The two major contenders, Labor and the Liberal/National coalition, sit almost as disturbingly close on the graph as the Democrat and Republican presidential candidates. The UK is barely different.

Most politicians enter politics for ideological reasons. They want to contribute and make the country a better place, by whatever measures they see as important. However, the primary game of politics in a democracy is one of vote winning. You can’t implement your policies if you’re not elected and once elected the most important thing is to be re-elected so that you can continue your work improving the country.

As a result, many politicians make this Faustian bargain; they sell their soul in order to prolong their political careers. They know that the best place to set up their ice-cream stall is right beside their political opponent, with just enough differences to identify them with the one side or other of the spectrum.

They face the choice of openly and honestly standing up for what they believe, or maximising their vote. To put it bluntly, they either lie or they lose.

The federal election of 2013 in my home country of Australia was a perfect example of this new era of political strategy. During this election campaign there was an unprecedented proliferation of fact-checking units and web sites monitoring and reporting on the validity of politicians’ claims. The rate at which these fact checkers were pouring out verdicts indicating that politicians of both major parties were lying and exaggerating their way through the campaign was remarkable. Even more remarkable was how many of the false statements continued to be repeated after they were exposed.

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Now that the Coalition are in government the lies haven’t stopped. In fact, I think it’s reasonable to conclude that the Coalition government are using lies and exaggeration to justify the overwhelming majority of their agenda in which they are breaking many popular pre-election promises.

So, we know the Australian government lied its way into power. We know the now Labor opposition tried to lie their way into keeping power. We know that the government is lying in order to cover up its real policy agenda. Yet, knowing all of this changes nothing.

This contempt for voters and for democracy more generally is a predictable product of the conflicting pressures politicians face.

This framework for thinking about political strategy gets sophisticated enough to explain the rise of the Tea Party (in various forms in many countries) when we add two more considerations: preselection – or primaries as they’re known in the US – and campaign funding.

Preselection is the process whereby the parties select their candidates to run in elections. In the US, let’s imagine the values of voters along a particular political spectrum are as shown in figure 8.

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fig 8.


When running in primaries, the same driving forces are going to apply as above. The most effective strategy for Republican candidates will be to cluster around the red dot. However, the red dot is a long way from the centre of the spectrum where that candidate will need to place themselves in order to compete against their opposition Democrat candidate in the election. Thus the well-known phenomenon of primary candidates espousing extreme views, with the winning candidate having to frantically tack back to the centre once they are the only one left standing.

The Tea Party represents the backfiring of this strategy, where grassroots members are preselecting candidates who aren’t interested in moving back to the centre. The distance from the middle of the political spectrum leaves many Tea Party candidates unelectable outside of religious conservative stronghold electorates and absolutely unelectable as president, even though they may one day win primaries. However, their very presence in elections allows their opponents to shift further to the right without penalty, thus potentially shifting the entire politics of the country in that direction. The Republican party may lose, but democracy may lose even more as a growing number of people find themselves without candidates who represent their views.

This backlash is not limited to the US. The rise of ultra-right politics in Europe and the rise of the Greens in Australia and elsewhere are largely a result of the same phenomenon. Major parties positioning themselves side by side on the political spectrum opens up a lot of territory for other parties to move into. However, for Australia at least, preferential voting systems will see the majority of votes ultimately returning to the parties in the centre, making the strategy sustainable.

This framework explains many of the lies told by both major parties in the Australian federal election in 2013. Tony Abbott’s Coalition government have won power through four principle strategies:

1) Exaggerate or lie about the record of the government they were trying to replace.

2) Make promises to the electorate they knew they wouldn’t keep (given the evidence of the budget).

3) Make promises to corporate donors they intended to keep.

4) Excuse breaking the promises to the electorate by inventing a budget and debt crisis.

These strategies have allowed them to appear to be all things to all people while actually delivering to their corporate backers. The reality is that it’s much harder to justify to a corporate donor why you haven’t given them value for money than it is to a voter as to why you haven’t done what you said you were going to do. In a system where all the major contenders stretch the truth, lying isn’t that much of an electoral liability.

This model for thinking about political power in our democracies is far from complete. Social structures and organisations as well as solidarity among elites also play a huge role. However, what is presented here is enough to explain why politicians lie and why, in many instances they have no choice but to do so. The honest ones are highly unlikely to succeed in forming government.

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Corporations don’t give their money away for nothing. There is an understanding (rarely made explicit) that large campaign donations buy political access and favourable consideration in policy development and legislation. Why else would a corporation, which is bound by law to pursue profits, make these donations?

Interestingly, many businesses give money to both sides of the narrow political divide; sometimes different amounts, sometimes exactly the same amount. In the lead up to the 2013 federal election in Australia, for example, Inghams gave Labor and Liberal parties each $250,000, Westfield gave them each $150,000 and ANZ gave them each $80,000. By my count, over one third of donors (excluding individuals) gave to both the coalition and Labor during 2012/13. This is not unique to Australia but occurs in all democracies, just indirectly in those places where direct political donations from corporations are illegal.

Donating equally to both sides is clearly not about helping one side win. It’s an implied threat: “if you don’t treat us well we’ll give you less and they’ll be ahead.” When both major parties have the same policy on an issue, it effectively removes that issue from democratic scrutiny. This is the aim of many political donations from businesses who stand to lose from policy changes that would be popular with the electorate. Only areas of difference between contenders end up being discussion points during elections, the rest is passed over in silence.

Such a big deal is made out of the few policy differences between major parties that during campaigns they can appear to be poles apart. However, as I have discussed previously, the main contenders in developed democracies are actually very closely aligned with respect to political ideology and policy – particularly economic policy.

During their last term in office, the minority federal Labor government in Australia were more or less forced by independent MP Andrew Wilkie to attempt to implement restrictions on poker machine gambling. Prior to the discussion of reforms beginning, gaming industry lobby groups were giving similar amounts of money to both major parties but slightly favouring Labor. As soon as Labor started talking seriously about reform, the donations began to dramatically favour the opposition Liberals. The leader of the Liberal party, Tony Abbott, came out strongly against the reforms and they were eventually abandoned.

During the period in question, surveys showed that a large majority (70-75%) of Australian voters supported poker machine reform to limit the impact on problem gamblers and their families. The voters lost that one as they usually do when wealthy industries are lined up against them.

The gambling interests won the game and showed the Labor party that they weren’t bluffing. If I were a gambling man, I’d put money on poker machine reform not being raised by major parties in federal politics in the near future. The gaming industry has effectively paid to have the issue taken off the national political agenda. The view of the voting public is no longer relevant.

There are many more examples of this process where corporate and other wealthy entities punish reformists by shifting financial support. The best-documented examples in recent Australian political history are the mining and carbon taxes and the Future of Financial Advice (FoFA) reforms. There has been plenty of coverage of these issues so I won’t repeat the stories here.

Once a policy issue is effectively silenced, ongoing donations to both major parties help to entrench major party dominance. Large donations to both the Liberal and Labor parties further marginalise minor parties who may seek to break the silence on policy issues that the corporates or elites have purchased. In Australia, the Greens are strong advocates of poker machine reform so donations that advantage the major parties over the Greens are still worth making for corporates who want this issue out of the spotlight. When it’s a two horse race, the game is relatively easy to control.

A consequence of this donation-driven approach to politics is that many areas of open political debate between and within major parties are in policy areas that the wealthy elite don’t care much about, like same sex marriage or abortion, or represent divisions between corporate interests. Of course, some vestiges of ideological differences remain and show up in areas such as industrial relations and welfare.

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It’s clear that policy formation and the legislative agenda of major political parties is not explained simply by following money trails. However, the money trails are our best portholes into the rest of the opaque process. Who attends fundraising dinners with senior politicians that cost $10,000 a plate? What do they talk about? It’s easier to spin a story to voters about why you watered down regulations than it is to tell the bankers whom you mix with socially and professionally why you couldn’t help them out. Personal relationships matter to politicians as much as to the rest of us.

Sitting in the middle of this process are the lobbyists and think tanks who invent public rationalisations for policy positions that serve their clients’ interests. My previous column here discussed why politicians lie. Lies are most effective when the liar believes them. The first step in effective lying is to convince ourselves of the lie. This is where the think tanks and lobbyists come in, telling politicians, for instance, that FoFA regulations have to go because compliance is onerous and damaging to the efficiency of business. Too much red tape chokes economic activity. I’m sure many in the Coalition government really believed this reason for watering down the FoFA reforms but I guarantee the idea originally came from the banks or their lobbyists who simply want to continue to rip off their customers.

This is a complex and dirty game dominated by political donations, vested interests, personal ambition, class and power. Voters are a part of the game but representing their interests may not be a politician’s top priority. Politicians will only act on behalf of voters if no wealthy or powerful group objects – or if the party in question is boxed into a corner by a hung parliament or a combination of marginal electorates and strong community action.

All of this begs the question of why we should bother voting. A video of actor Russell Brand being interviewed by the BBC’s Jeremy Paxman went viral last year precisely because of Brand’s compelling arguments that we should not vote and that voting only legitimises a fundamentally illegitimate system. So next week, I’ll follow this column up with another titled “why vote?”

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Democracy theoretically puts the power of governance in the hands of the people. The origins of the word come from the ancient Greek words; dêmos, meaning people and kratos, meaning power.

However, many have argued that modern western political systems are closer to plutocracies than democracies. A plutocracy is ruled by money rather than by the people (ploutos means wealth). The costs of running a modern election campaign make it very difficult for candidates to win without substantial financial backing. Sourcing those finances is inherently corrupting because big corporate donors only give money in return for political favours. Combine this with the ice cream stall electioneering strategy of both major parties occupying very similar political territory, and you have a system ripe for voter disengagement.

The public’s faith in politics in Australia is at an all-time low with only 43% of voters in a recent poll believing that it makes a difference which of the major parties is in power compared to 68% as recently as 2007. Similarly dismal attitudes towards politics can be seen in the UK with only 33% believing the system of government works well.

In Australia, there is bipartisan support for many fundamentally antidemocratic policies such as pursuing so-called free trade agreements, which, at their core, are about ceding sovereignty to multinational corporations. There’s also bipartisan support for punishing asylum seekers who try to come here on boats seeking our protection, bipartisan support for following the US into any and all wars and bipartisan support for valuing economic growth above the wellbeing and sustainability of our society. The entire international trade and finance regime has substantially eroded government power, leaving immigration and national security as final frontiers where sovereignty remains pretty much untrammelled.

The degraded state of our democracies explains the popularity of figures like Russell Brand, whom I mentioned in my last column. He speaks directly to people who are politically aware but disillusioned, suggesting that if there are no candidates who represent our interests and our aspirations we should not vote. Only by withdrawing our participation from the broken system can we hope to fix it or build something better.

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Russell Brand: “what’s the point of voting?”. Photograph: Karen Robinson/Observer


Devastating critiques of our current political and economic systems abound but almost always seem to become self-contradictory when they come to providing solutions. They claim that neoliberalism has fragmented the population and eroded sovereignty, making coherent political change more difficult. But at the same time, the solutions often rely on some nudge or tweak or restriction after which everyone will just be nice to each other. In other words, they rely on changing human nature.

This situation of disillusionment with the political economy combined with a lack of viable solutions has been around ever since the ancient Greeks experimented with different forms of democracy. The challenge has always been to develop a system that can’t be gamed or corrupted by power seekers or empire builders (ie people who have expansive ambition that trumps other concerns). Power seekers are a motley crew. Some are high functioning psychopaths, seeking power for power’s sake, some simply want to dominate a field of endeavour. Others have ideological reasons for wanting to change the world.

Power seekers can be a source of innovation and creativity. The challenge is to contain them, because, if not kept in check, they and their kin will corrupt or bring down just about any social or political structure that spreads power broadly through society.

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I’m fundamentally anti-utopian in my political philosophy and believe it’s impossible to design social structures or political systems that are safe from capture by power seeking elites. The basis of social justice therefore has to be a state of permanent awareness, resistance and protest. The best you can do is to have an informed public engaged in a continuous struggle to maintain and improve on overall social welfare, human rights, human dignity and justice. In the absence of vigilance and protest, the rise of anti-democratic structures and barriers to social progress is inevitable.

A top priority in the permanent protest model has to be defending and strengthening protections for dissenters. The more weapons, physical, legal and ideological, the state has to quell dissent the more vulnerable society is to the power seekers. National security is the most common excuse for restricting political and social freedom and those who peddle such excuses should be treated with the utmost suspicion.

With permanent protest in mind, let’s turn back to the question that this column began with. Should we do as Brand advocates and withdraw our participation from the current political system with the aim of delegitimising it?

As I’ve argued elsewhere, each citizen needs to have a vision of what he or she wants our country and our world to be like. We should bring those visions to bear on our political engagement. If the major parties don’t sufficiently represent your vision, then vote for a minor party. If none of those represent your vision then sure, consider not voting as a part of a broader political strategy but don’t take the decision lightly. Simply taking your bat and ball and going home is unlikely to achieve anything on its own.

There is a huge range of options open for those who feel politically disenchanted or disenfranchised. What you choose to do might depend on your talents and passions but you could jump in the deep end and join a political party and work for change from the inside; join and become active in your union; create a political party; do postgraduate research on democracy and power; join a citizens advocacy group; write comment pieces for The Guardian or go all out and seek and advocate revolution. We need people doing all those things all the time because there are power seekers who are constantly pushing in the other direction and we mustn’t leave them unchallenged.

Much of what Russell Brand has to say is right on the mark. He is playing the permanent protest game and is doing his part to maintain political vigilance. For that I salute him – but I’m still going to vote.



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Reply #7 - Sep 19th, 2014 at 8:43am
 
Don’t forget to include war and pseudo–antiterrorist actions as one way politicians lie.
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