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Reply #30 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:42pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:35pm:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:31pm:
Mantillas are still worn traditionally in Spain and other largely Catholic nations.

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Not in Australia,  then,  you grinning fool.


Moving the goalposts again?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #31 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:52pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 9:52am:
What makes the observant Christian different is that you cannot tell by looking at her that she is. Christianity is really in the heart, not on the sleeve and people find public demonstration of piety ostentatious. 
That revulsion and perception of showing off also applies to other religions public preening.

What did you think about demonstrating your Muslima credentials in public in a society where this is not the nor? Was there a dose of youthful rebellion in there?


Do you dress to please other people? If we didn't challenge norms, it would still be risqué to show a bit of ankle.

When I was a Muslim, I didn't wear the scarf as an emblem to say "Hey - look at me, everyone. I practice Islam." The hijab is functional - a tool for covering the hair.


freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm:
I'm like that with pants.



Yes, I've heard that happens sometimes when we get old.

I'm looking forward to it.

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Reply #32 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 5:00pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:52pm:
Yes, I've heard that happens sometimes when we get old.

I'm looking forward to it.



If only we could do that with the old boy. With him, we need to get it out, not keep it in.
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Reply #33 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 5:55pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 9:47pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm:
I'm like that with pants.


Freeedom, innit.


I suggest a new poll: Q: should Free Diver change his screen name to Free Willy?
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Reply #34 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 6:51pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:52pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 9:52am:
What makes the observant Christian different is that you cannot tell by looking at her that she is. Christianity is really in the heart, not on the sleeve and people find public demonstration of piety ostentatious. 
That revulsion and perception of showing off also applies to other religions public preening.

What did you think about demonstrating your Muslima credentials in public in a society where this is not the nor? Was there a dose of youthful rebellion in there?


Do you dress to please other people? If we didn't challenge norms, it would still be risqué to show a bit of ankle.

When I was a Muslim, I didn't wear the scarf as an emblem to say "Hey - look at me, everyone. I practice Islam." The hijab is functional - a tool for covering the hair.

The hijab and niqab are religious and social challenges to the norm, otherwise a hat or a cap would do. Public demonstration of the challenge is the main thing, I think, and challenging the non-muslim public sphere is crucial.

If Muslis were to dress in a certain way in private, Muslim spaces, it would be an obviously purely religious attitude. But bringing it to the neutral, nonreligious public space is a challenge to that very norm: neutral, nonreligious, public space.

It is as anachronistic in the west as the hashids' fur hats and frock costs or wearing a kimono to your office job in the city or Sikhs driving cabs with a turban or a PNG highlander applying for a job at Macca's  dressed in nothing but a penis sheath and a bone in his nose to accessorise.

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Reply #35 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 7:14pm
 
Annie, I'm sure you didn't know why you wore the head scarf but Soren has I'm sure enlightened you and made you understand what it's personal significance was to you!   Shocked
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Reply #36 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
Annie, I'm sure you didn't know why you wore the head scarf but Soren has I'm sure enlightened you and made you understand what it's personal significance was to you!   Shocked

Exactly. I am a psychiatrist.
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Reply #37 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
Annie, I'm sure you didn't know why you wore the head scarf but Soren has I'm sure enlightened you and made you understand what it's personal significance was to you!   Shocked

Exactly. I am a psychiatrist.


Ah, Freudian, right?  No wonder you're riding roughshod over Annie's views.  Sigmund was as sexist as you've just demonstrated yourself to be. Roll Eyes
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Reply #38 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 9:27pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
Annie, I'm sure you didn't know why you wore the head scarf but Soren has I'm sure enlightened you and made you understand what it's personal significance was to you!   Shocked

Exactly. I am a psychiatrist.


you're riding roughshod over Annie's views.  Sigmund was as sexist as you've just demonstrated yourself to be. Roll Eyes

You are throwing stupid accusations around like a madwoman her underwear.

I asked some questions about the motivation to bring religion into the non-religious, neutral public space. Annie can tell me her views on that.
You can too.

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Reply #39 - Sep 18th, 2014 at 10:04pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 9:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
Annie, I'm sure you didn't know why you wore the head scarf but Soren has I'm sure enlightened you and made you understand what it's personal significance was to you!   Shocked

Exactly. I am a psychiatrist.


you're riding roughshod over Annie's views.  Sigmund was as sexist as you've just demonstrated yourself to be. Roll Eyes

You are throwing stupid accusations around like a madwoman her underwear.


The old boy, you see, is a psychiatrist.
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Reply #40 - Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:19am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 9:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
Annie, I'm sure you didn't know why you wore the head scarf but Soren has I'm sure enlightened you and made you understand what it's personal significance was to you!   Shocked

Exactly. I am a psychiatrist.


you're riding roughshod over Annie's views.  Sigmund was as sexist as you've just demonstrated yourself to be. Roll Eyes

You are throwing stupid accusations around like a madwoman her underwear.


Rather proves Brian's point, I think!  Sexist!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #41 - Sep 19th, 2014 at 9:10am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 6:51pm:
The hijab and niqab are religious and social challenges to the norm, otherwise a hat or a cap would do. Public demonstration of the challenge is the main thing, I think, and challenging the non-muslim public sphere is crucial.


You're imagining opposition. There was no thought as to what other people might think - I made a decision to take a more modest attitude toward my own dress.

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If Muslis were to dress in a certain way in private, Muslim spaces, it would be an obviously purely religious attitude. But bringing it to the neutral, nonreligious public space is a challenge to that very norm: neutral, nonreligious, public space.


It isn't a challenge. It's a personal dress choice - that's all it boils down to.

The objection to a woman choosing to cover her hair is strange. Do you have such strong opinions on bikinis and mini skirts? People should be free to dress how they choose as long as they aren't breaking any laws. You don't get to decide.



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Reply #42 - Sep 19th, 2014 at 9:15am
 
you guys are still going on about this? how long has it been now? 6 years?
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Reply #43 - Sep 19th, 2014 at 9:34am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 9:10am:
. Do you have such strong opinions on bikinis



Away from the beach, yes.

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and mini skirts? People should be free to dress how they choose as long as they aren't breaking any laws. You don't get to decide.



Mini skirts are not expressions of religious devotion (it's more a matter of taste and quite often it is in bad taste, like so many other expressions of 'individualty').

My main point is that the public space is neutral, non-religious, non-ideological and SO it can be shared by all.
In this neutral space there is toleration only where that which is disapproved is also allowed.
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Reply #44 - Sep 19th, 2014 at 9:35am
 
JC Denton wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 9:15am:
you guys are still going on about this? how long has it been now? 6 years?



Where have you been? What have you done?
Not in Dubbo still, I hope.
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