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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:43pm I'm not having much luck with Google.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #1 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:12pm Are you referring to Gothic type? We used to read that in school.
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 72266 Gender:	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #2 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:16pm 1822
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #3 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:40pm ja
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #4 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:45pm sorry, now if you had said prehistoric mesopotamian I could have helped.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20970 A cat with a view	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #5 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:01pm ian wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:45pm: sorry, now if you had said prehistoric mesopotamian I could have helped. LOL
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #6 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:32pm I'll get it translated eventually, but I thought I might take a shortcut here. Old German print, and then faded handwritten script. It's a copy of an original Confirmation certificate.
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Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German?
Reply #7 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:34pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

I'll get it translated eventually, but I thought I might take a shortcut here.

Old German print, and then faded handwritten script.

It's a copy of an original Confirmation certificate.

try
https://translate.google.com/

or the miriad of other translating websites

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #8 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:46pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

I'll get it translated eventually, but I thought I might take a shortcut here.

Old German print, and then faded handwritten script.

It's a copy of an original Confirmation certificate.

try
https://translate.google.com/

or the miriad of other translating websites

Thanks John. I have been translating through Google, but it hasn't been completely successful so far.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #9 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:33pm Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:43pm: I'm not having much luck with Google. One of my drivers is a well educated German. I'm happy to ask him about it. How do I get him access to your document?
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Reply #10 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:51pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

I'm not having much luck with Google.

One of my drivers is a well educated German. I'm happy to ask him about it. How do I get him access to your document?

Thanks for that, Aussie.

If you can run this off a printer he should be able to read it.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #11 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:29pm I'll get his email off him tomorrow (he is driving tonight) and then send that on to him. Should have your answer by tomorrow night....if that works.
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Reply #12 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:30am

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

I'll get his email off him tomorrow (he is driving tonight) and then send that on to him. Should have your answer by tomorrow night....if that works.

That's very decent of you old chap.

I'll cut you some slack for a fortnight or so as payment. Cool

This is a blood relative of mine, but my newly-discovered cousins in the UK don't know where she fits in.

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Reply #13 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:37am

First line is probably the name etc.
Was confirmed to (Buetoro? - some kind of position?) before the collected people by the undersigned "prediger" on (date) ;
whereby some kind of condition was satisfied

vor der verfan...leten Gemeine is probably a reference to the group this was performed in front of or on behalf of. Gemeine is now used to refer to a business.
woruber probably means whereby in this context
gegenwaertiges may refer to people who were opposed - ie speak now or forever hold your peace.
amtlich ausgestellt probably means sufficiently satisfied
Zeignis translates to testimony, but may mean witness in this context

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jockohomo3d Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 187 Gender:	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #14 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:47am Sorry, I can only translate 1823 German.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131547 Gender:	Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German? Reply #15 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:29am Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:43pm: I'm not having much luck with Google. Das ist nicht gut. https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl
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Reply #16 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:56am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:51pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

I'm not having much luck with Google.

One of my drivers is a well educated German. I'm happy to ask him about it. How do I get him access to your document?

Thanks for that, Aussie.

If you can run this off a printer he should be able to read it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/ruffdiamond080/Confirmation2_...

The handwriting is hard to read. The rest I can translate

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Reply #17 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am

Confirmation certificate/testimonial/attestation

Anne Marie ...Plich?,
the daughter of ....Johann Plich? of Damersdorf?
has been confirmed to ...(handwriting?) by the assigned priest in presence of the assembled community/parish.
This commended certificate is being officially issued to this community/parish for careful custody/safekeeping.

The question is, what has the woman been confirmed or conformed to? I cannot read that handwritten word.

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Reply #18 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:43am

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

First line is probably the name etc.
Was confirmed to (Buetoro? - some kind of position?) before the collected people by the undersigned "prediger" on (date) ;
whereby some kind of condition was satisfied

vor der verfan...leten Gemeine is probably a reference to the group this was performed in front of or on behalf of. Gemeine is now used to refer to a business.
woruber probably means whereby in this context
gegenwaertiges may refer to people who were opposed - ie speak now or forever hold your peace.
amtlich ausgestellt probably means sufficiently satisfied
Zeignis translates to testimony, but may mean witness in this context

Interesting.

Thanks.

Reading official legalese English from 1822 is difficult enough in itself.

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Reply #19 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:05pm

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Confirmation certificate/testimonial/attestation

Anne Marie ...Plich?,
the daughter of ....Johann Plich? of Damersdorf?

Good.

Double-ff for Damersdorff ~ which I can't find.

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

has been confirmed to ...(handwriting?) by the assigned priest in presence of the assembled community/parish.

This commended certificate is being officially issued to this community/parish for careful custody/safekeeping.

The question is, what has the woman been confirmed or conformed to? I cannot read that handwritten word.

Wow! Great work, Eagle.

The 'C' in 'Confirmation' bothers me. Shouldn't it be a 'K' if it's German? And how is it there's no reference to the Roman Catholic religion?

You'll also notice diacritic marks above the 'a's ~ which I don't think they have in German.

If I know where this woman was christened or confirmed, it would probably solve the question of where my grandfather came from in Germany/Austria/Switzerland/ Flanders/ etc.

There's also an official runbber stamp on this paper. I'll try to upload it.

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Reply #20 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Confirmation certificate/testimonial/attestation

Anne Marie ...Plich?,
the daughter of ....Johann Plich? of Damersdorf?

Good.

Double-ff for Damersdorff ~ which I can't find.

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

has been confirmed to ...(handwriting?) by the assigned priest in presence of the assembled community/parish.

This commended certificate is being officially issued to this community/parish for careful custody/safekeeping.

The question is, what has the woman been confirmed or conformed to? I cannot read that handwritten word.

Wow! Great work, Eagle.

The 'C' in 'Confirmation' bothers me. Shouldn't it be a 'K' if it's German? And how is it there's no reference to the Roman Catholic religion?

You'll also notice diacritic marks above the 'a's ~ which I don't think they have in German.

If I know where this woman was christened or confirmed, it would probably solve the question of where my grandfather came from in Germany/Austria/Switzerland/ Flanders/ etc.

There's also an official runbber stamp on this paper. I'll try to upload it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/GothicGerman_z...

My mother's language is German so I'm confident about my translation. There is a Dammersdorf with two m's and one f. It could have changed over time. Konfirmation, I'm not sure if it's a K or C, it does not matter. It means the same thing

I'm curious what the handwritten word says after: "Gemeine zu". That would show if she's been conformed to a religious faith or what. The standard was that people were either Catholic or Protestant (reformed).

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Reply #21 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

My mother's language is German so I'm confident about my translation. There is a Dammersdorf with two m's and one f. It could have changed over time. Konfirmation, I'm not sure if it's a K or C, it does not matter. It means the same thing

I'm curious what the handwritten word says after: "Gemeine zu".

ah HA! You've driven me into the right direction with this question. Danke Schon.

It's 'Bütow' ~ which I thought was a bit queer because the 'ow' is very Polish.

But I chased it up anyway, and sure enough .... things have begun to fall into place. The official stamp has been a tantalising clue ~ but I couldn't find it anywhere in my Google searches.

But then ... Hallelujah! ... the Heavens opened up and the angels started singing ...

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