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Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German?
Reply #16 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:56am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:51pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

I'm not having much luck with Google.

One of my drivers is a well educated German. I'm happy to ask him about it. How do I get him access to your document?

Thanks for that, Aussie.

If you can run this off a printer he should be able to read it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/ruffdiamond080/Confirmation2_...

The handwriting is hard to read. The rest I can translate

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Reply #17 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am

Confirmation certificate/testimonial/attestation

Anne Marie ...Plich?,
the daughter of ....Johann Plich? of Damersdorf?
has been confirmed to ...(handwriting?) by the assigned priest in presence of the assembled community/parish.
This commended certificate is being officially issued to this community/parish for careful custody/safekeeping.

The question is, what has the woman been confirmed or conformed to? I cannot read that handwritten word.

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Reply #18 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:43am

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

First line is probably the name etc.
Was confirmed to (Buetoro? - some kind of position?) before the collected people by the undersigned "prediger" on (date) ;
whereby some kind of condition was satisfied

vor der verfan...leten Gemeine is probably a reference to the group this was performed in front of or on behalf of. Gemeine is now used to refer to a business.
woruber probably means whereby in this context
gegenwaertiges may refer to people who were opposed - ie speak now or forever hold your peace.
amtlich ausgestellt probably means sufficiently satisfied
Zeignis translates to testimony, but may mean witness in this context

Interesting.

Thanks.

Reading official legalese English from 1822 is difficult enough in itself.

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Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German?
Reply #19 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:05pm

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Confirmation certificate/testimonial/attestation

Anne Marie ...Plich?,
the daughter of ....Johann Plich? of Damersdorf?

Good.

Double-ff for Damersdorff ~ which I can't find.

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

has been confirmed to ...(handwriting?) by the assigned priest in presence of the assembled community/parish.

This commended certificate is being officially issued to this community/parish for careful custody/safekeeping.

The question is, what has the woman been confirmed or conformed to? I cannot read that handwritten word.

Wow! Great work, Eagle.

The 'C' in 'Confirmation' bothers me. Shouldn't it be a 'K' if it's German? And how is it there's no reference to the Roman Catholic religion?

You'll also notice diacritic marks above the 'a's ~ which I don't think they have in German.

If I know where this woman was christened or confirmed, it would probably solve the question of where my grandfather came from in Germany/Austria/Switzerland/ Flanders/ etc.

There's also an official runbber stamp on this paper. I'll try to upload it.

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Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German?
Reply #20 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Confirmation certificate/testimonial/attestation

Anne Marie ...Plich?,
the daughter of ....Johann Plich? of Damersdorf?

Good.

Double-ff for Damersdorff ~ which I can't find.

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

has been confirmed to ...(handwriting?) by the assigned priest in presence of the assembled community/parish.

This commended certificate is being officially issued to this community/parish for careful custody/safekeeping.

The question is, what has the woman been confirmed or conformed to? I cannot read that handwritten word.

Wow! Great work, Eagle.

The 'C' in 'Confirmation' bothers me. Shouldn't it be a 'K' if it's German? And how is it there's no reference to the Roman Catholic religion?

You'll also notice diacritic marks above the 'a's ~ which I don't think they have in German.

If I know where this woman was christened or confirmed, it would probably solve the question of where my grandfather came from in Germany/Austria/Switzerland/ Flanders/ etc.

There's also an official runbber stamp on this paper. I'll try to upload it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/GothicGerman_z...

My mother's language is German so I'm confident about my translation. There is a Dammersdorf with two m's and one f. It could have changed over time. Konfirmation, I'm not sure if it's a K or C, it does not matter. It means the same thing

I'm curious what the handwritten word says after: "Gemeine zu". That would show if she's been conformed to a religious faith or what. The standard was that people were either Catholic or Protestant (reformed).

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Re: Can anyone here translate 1822 German?
Reply #21 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

My mother's language is German so I'm confident about my translation. There is a Dammersdorf with two m's and one f. It could have changed over time. Konfirmation, I'm not sure if it's a K or C, it does not matter. It means the same thing

I'm curious what the handwritten word says after: "Gemeine zu".

ah HA! You've driven me into the right direction with this question. Danke Schon.

It's 'Bütow' ~ which I thought was a bit queer because the 'ow' is very Polish.

But I chased it up anyway, and sure enough .... things have begun to fall into place. The official stamp has been a tantalising clue ~ but I couldn't find it anywhere in my Google searches.

But then ... Hallelujah! ... the Heavens opened up and the angels started singing ...

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