red baron wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:


See what happens?

Isn’t that what the crystal ball’s for?

red baron wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:28am:


No, they’re calling for a brutal Feudal regime within quite specific perameters - the boundaries of the old Ottoman Empire. The Moghal Empire might be thrown in, but who’d try to take back India? You’d have to be mad. Imagine having to deal with all those Hindus.

Who knows? Maybe there are parallels with the fight against Fascism in the 1940s. The West, however, never fought Fascism per se, but Nazi Germany. Franco and Peron were left in power. We never fought an ideology, but nation states.

My prediction is that the wars of the future will not be fought against nations, but amorphous insurgencies. This requires a completely different military to what we’ve had in the past. The current defence systems in the US and Europe are still essentially Cold War in nature: NATO, nuclear defense systems, even the UN. The size and planning capacity of such a bloated military are not capable of fighting insurgencies. The US was learning in Iraq, but morale by that stage was lost. In Afghanistan, the strategy was largely to buy the local chieftans off - such a strategy can only last while you’re paying. Once you leave, you’ve lost them.

Groups like ISIL will win because they have something worth fighting for - martyrdom. Unless we can stumble across a way that works, we’ll be running from one war to the other, holding the fort for a few years, and leaving chaos in our wakes.

The proof of this is that no one wanted Uncle in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even the soldiers we were training took pot shots at us. In WWII, we were liberators. These days, there is no trust in Uncle and his friends.

And this requires a completely different way of waging war.

Can't wait for the middle east to become a glassed over parking strip

and yes, that does include Israhell

Karnal, you in particular, I'd like you to read what Sheik Mohammad Abu al - Adnani......is telling Muslims world wide to do to us infidels. You will note that Australians have been specifically targeted by him. Now tell me there isn't a threat out there to each and every one of us.

Source Sydney Morning Herald

Tony Abbott: Some freedoms may have to shift

Followers of the Islamic State terror group are being urged to attack by any means possible civilians of the West, including Australia, in a chilling exhortation posted online by the militant group's chief spokesman.

In what is believed to be the group's first blanket call to violence against countries planning military action in Iraq, the statement attributed to chief Islamic State spokesman Muhammad al-Adnani mentions Australia three times amid page after page of apocalyptic threats against "crusaders".

An image allegedly shows members of Islamic State, including Abu Omar al-Shishani (left) and ISIL sheikh Abu Mohammed al-Adnani (right), whose picture was blurred from the source to protect his identity, at an unknown location in Iraq or Syria. 
An image allegedly shows members of Islamic State, including Abu Omar al-Shishani (left) and ISIL sheikh Abu Mohammed al-Adnani (right), whose picture was blurred from the source to protect his identity, at an unknown location in Iraq or Syria. Photo: AFP

"If you can kill a disbelieving American or European – especially the spiteful and filthy French – or an Australian, or a Canadian, or any other disbeliever from the disbelievers waging war, including the citizens of the countries that entered into a coalition against the Islamic State, then rely upon Allah, and kill him in any manner or way however it may be," the statement says.

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"Do not ask for anyone's advice and do not seek anyone's verdict. Kill the disbeliever, whether he is civilian or military, for they have the same ruling. Both of them are disbelievers."

Over 11 pages, the statement unrestrainedly urges followers towards martyrdom, telling them they are "like predatory warriors" who "face death with bare chests".

Police leave with what appears to be a sword after a raid in Sydney on Thursday. 
Police leave with what appears to be a sword after a raid in Sydney on Thursday. Photo: Peter Rae

It comes just days after police smashed an alleged plot in Sydney to kill random Australians on camera and also as world leaders prepare to meet at the United Nations in New York to discuss how to combat the problem of foreign fighters travelling to Iraq and Syria.

Al-Adnani is regarded as the most authoratitive spokesman at Islamic State, also known as ISIL. The statement represents the most concrete threat yet to Australia by the group's leadership.

A spokewoman for Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on Monday that the statement is considered to be an authentic statement from the terror organisation.

"Australian agencies regard the statement issued today by ISIL calling for attacks against members of the international coalition, including Australians, as genuine," she said.

"ISIL will claim that our involvement in this international effort is the reason they are targeting us, but these people do not attack us for what we do, but for who we are and how we live."

Mr Abbott opened question time on Monday with a speech warning that some freedoms for Australians may need to be restricted to prevent attacks from terror groups.

Chilling threats

Disturbingly, the statement attributed to al-Adnani also offers itself as a final declaration, telling followers they need no further permission from a Muslim cleric.

It calls US President Barack Obama a "mule of the Jews" and Secretary of State John Kerry an "uncircumcised old geezer".

In apocalyptic tones, the message goes on to declare: "O soldiers of the Islamic State, be ready for the final campaign of the crusaders. Yes, by Allah's will, it will be the final one."

The statement threatens not just to beat back any military campaign in Iraq and Syrian but also to go on the offensive, even if it takes generations.

"We will conquer your Rome, break your crosses, and enslave your women, by the permission of Allah, the Exalted," it says. "If we do not reach that time, then our children and grandchildren will reach it, and they will sell your sons as slaves at the slave market."

It focuses most of its fury on the United States but mentions Australia three times, urging Islamic fighters in various countries who are American allies to take up arms.

"O America, O allies of America, and O crusaders, know that the matter is more dangerous than you have imagined and greater than you have envisioned," it says. "We have warned you that today we are in a new era, an era where the State, its soldiers, and its sons are leaders not slaves. Being killed – according to their account – is a victory. This is where the secret lies."

It asks of Islamic State followers: "Why is it that the world has united against you? … What threat do you pose to the distant place of Australia for it to send its legions towards you? What does Canada have anything to do with you?"

The statement goes on to say that anyone who refuses to recognise the Islamic State's self-declared caliphate is mocking the Prophet.

It calls on followers to "fear not the swarms of planes, nor ballistic missiles, nor drones, nor satellites, nor battleships, nor weapons of mass destruction".

The declaration was by the current Big Cheese of ISIL. there are quite a few knuckleheads around the world who are taking notice of this latest numero uno of Terrorists. The new Osama?

His sail is starting to get a bit of wind in it.

Incidentally the U.S. today launched serious air attacks into Syria both from the air and naval missile launches.

Apparently they were extremely successful because Military strategy is not one of the ISIL's honour classes at this stage. They didn't know how to hide their stuff.

Sh.t happens huh?

Well done for trying Red

The trouble is you can lead a horse to water etc.....

Good to see you having fun Karnal, can't wait to see you in the streets of despair, with the weapon of your choice mowing down terrorists like there's no tomorrow.

And hearing you say between bursts, "told you there was no threat, here I am in full living colour doing what I do best!"