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Reply #15 - Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:00pm
 

hhmmm, don't know how to post this.

http://www.racq.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/129201/Vehicle-Running-Costs-...


The C/km for fuel for diesel cruiser = 16.5c, for a petrol = 21c

Diesel is dearer to buy, depreciation is $10 a week worse, interest $5 worse. 'other' is another $7 a week.

AHAH - standing costs on either cruiser are well over $300 per week.
Put that into the total running costs .......... fuel fades into almost insignificance !!!!!!!!!

Funny that the diesel depreciates faster than a petrol.
I have seen the petrols are a lot cheaper than diesels in the used market, suggesting a faster rate of depreciation for petrols ..........

I guess, if you avoid the dramatic depreciation you'll be a lot better off.
The less you pay for any vehicle, the better.

Which points towards a petrol, they are $15K cheaper.
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Reply #16 - Aug 28th, 2014 at 10:32pm
 




Toyota Landcruiser GXL manual

4.5 l Petrol

4.2 l Turbo Diesel

Service Costs (as per manufacturers recommendations) 
10,000 km  $246  $234 
15,000   $127 
20,000  $580  $797 
25,000   $127 
30,000  $246  $357 
35,000   $127 
40,000  $870  $1,065 
45,000   $127 
50,000  $246  $233 
55,000   $127 
60,000  $580  $997 
65,000   $127 
70,000  $246  $233 
75,000   $127 
80,000  $960  $1070 
85,000   $127 
90,000  $246  $357 
95,000   $127 
100,000  $641  $1074 
Total  $4861  $7,560.00 


petrol servicing $4861, Diesel $7560



https://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/racv/internet/primary/my+car/advice+_+in...

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Reply #17 - Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:10pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 10:32pm:
Toyota Landcruiser GXL manual

4.5 l Petrol

4.2 l Turbo Diesel

Service Costs (as per manufacturers recommendations) 
10,000 km  $246  $234 
15,000   $127 
20,000  $580  $797 
25,000   $127 
30,000  $246  $357 
35,000   $127 
40,000  $870  $1,065 
45,000   $127 
50,000  $246  $233 
55,000   $127 
60,000  $580  $997 
65,000   $127 
70,000  $246  $233 
75,000   $127 
80,000  $960  $1070 
85,000   $127 
90,000  $246  $357 
95,000   $127 
100,000  $641  $1074 
Total  $4861  $7,560.00 


petrol servicing $4861, Diesel $7560



https://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/racv/internet/primary/my+car/advice+_+in...



No need for the 5,000k increments.

Do your oil/filter and air filter every 10,000 is fine.
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Reply #18 - Aug 29th, 2014 at 8:03pm
 

friyay - the 5K services are what the manufacturer recommended.

Look at this bargain :

LandCruiser  2003  Kilometres:  147000 Transmission:  Automatic  Petrol - Unleaded Colour:  Black , V8 motor.
$22K
Looks in as new condition, stock standard, no mods, so not used in serious offroad.
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Reply #19 - Aug 29th, 2014 at 8:13pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 8:03pm:
friyay - the 5K services are what the manufacturer recommended.

Look at this bargain :

LandCruiser  2003  Kilometres:  147000 Transmission:  Automatic  Petrol - Unleaded Colour:  Black , V8 motor.
$22K
Looks in as new condition, stock standard, no mods, so not used in serious offroad.


Of course they recommend it.  They have a serious financial interest in you going in for a service ~ and the more often ~ the more they/their dealers/their parts department financially benefit.  I take my diesel in at around 13,000 klms, roughly about 2.75 weeks.
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Reply #20 - Aug 29th, 2014 at 8:54pm
 
servicing more than once  a month should be enough Smiley
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Reply #21 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:54am
 
being a Diesel Mechanic for around 30 years, and service manager for the past 13 years, I can assure you that servicing any modern diesel at 5000 is an utter waste of time and money...

use a decent oil and minimum of 10,000 kilometre servicing is fine..

I services our coaches at around 20,000 although one blew out to 27,000 just recently while doing a power of work... its fine..

we have 2 new Mercedes Valente's which are programed to be serviced every 30,000 kilometres...

we have a hiace that's been doing over 100,000 kilometres a year and I've been servicing it every 15,000 kilometres and it now has 590,000 kilometres on the clock... I've changed two sets of front shockers, one alternator belt and one fuel pump... I changed the timing belt every 150,000 so a few of those... and that's about it apart from normal servicing... oil, filter and fuel filter...

work out your running costs on that..

oh, and we changed the alternator on it recently..
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Reply #22 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 7:49am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 12:45pm:
what are you towing? - No Idea, I am still in dream land Smiley


Grin Grin Grin

Good luck with this.

Myself? I would hire a nice little campervan and do the trip in style.

Nothing to tow.

It's an awfully long way to go, and maximising your comfort-level will be appreciated under certain conditions that you will encounter along the way.

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Reply #23 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:44pm
 
True Blue... wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:54am:
being a Diesel Mechanic for around 30 years, and service manager for the past 13 years, I can assure you that servicing any modern diesel at 5000 is an utter waste of time and money...

use a decent oil and minimum of 10,000 kilometre servicing is fine..

I services our coaches at around 20,000 although one blew out to 27,000 just recently while doing a power of work... its fine..

we have 2 new Mercedes Valente's which are programed to be serviced every 30,000 kilometres...

we have a hiace that's been doing over 100,000 kilometres a year and I've been servicing it every 15,000 kilometres and it now has 590,000 kilometres on the clock... I've changed two sets of front shockers, one alternator belt and one fuel pump... I changed the timing belt every 150,000 so a few of those... and that's about it apart from normal servicing... oil, filter and fuel filter...

work out your running costs on that..

oh, and we changed the alternator on it recently..


thanks true, I believe the newer diesels are 10 - 15 Kms for a service.

buying a campervan - I had not quite considered it.
I had a look at the full blown motorhomes or converted buses.
The motor homes were very expensive, converted buses did not look right to me.

A campervan might be a viable method.
Stay in cabins wherever you can, use the campervan when desired for sleeping in ?
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Reply #24 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 7:12pm
 
Colorado 7, Isuzu MUX, ford ranger or Mazda BT50 ?
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Reply #25 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 7:35pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 7:12pm:
Colorado 7, Isuzu MUX or Mazda BT50 ?


They'll all pretty much the same.

Never driven the MUX, but only heard good things. Personally I'd rate a Nissin Navara over a BT50, Colorado or Hilux. The guys at work with money all get the VW dual cabs these days - but optioned up they can work out to be near twice the cost of a Hilux.
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Reply #27 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 8:30pm
 
Go by train.

Use your Concession Cards, etc.

Don't let the romance of making such a trip fool you into believing it won't be hard going perched behind a steering wheel.

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Reply #28 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 8:38pm
 


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think of the fuel savings ...........
I specifically chose the colour, one I detest for cars
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Having practiced my trade as a mechanic with Toyota and then as a consultant for over 10 years assisting people to purchase vehciles, particuarly 4WDs for towing, I can very confidently say the Vehicle that is right for your is totally dependant on your needs. Sure you need to tow a 3 angle load float and of course you want to do this as compenetently, economically and as safely as possible but the range of vechiles you have to choose from is determined by many other factors.
Firtsly I must say that both Toyota Landcrusiers 80 and 100 series and the Nissan Patrols, GQ and GU are all excellent 4WD's. However, both major barnds have had their lemons!!! FOr instance the early 80 series Landcruisers (around 1990-92) had bottom end bearing problems that essentially required full engine rebuilds. This was acknowledged by Toyota and they rebuilt many of them past the warranty periods. Nissan of the same era brought out a 3 ltr petrol and 2.8ltr Turbo Deisel, both which were great for the average family but were not suited to (or designed for) heavy towing. The 100 series landcruisers are excellent vehicles, the petrol verions very heavy on fuel and rather gutless when on gas. The Nissan Patrol or GU, from 2001 introduced a 4.8 ltr engine which was no worse in the fuel consumption (when towing) and performed significantly better and also adapted very well to gas. As I am sure your son has explained, desite the gas systems coming a long way there is a power reduction when on gas. I personally had a 80 series Landcruiser on gas and towed large irish thorough breeds around and although very adequate, it was sluggish and I worked it hard on the open road.
The deisels are another kettle of fish and I would suggest if money permits attempt to go down this path as these engines are made for continous heavy work under load. The non turbo versions are sluggish and slow on incline and the turbo versions quite responsive and unlike petrol do not over heat and use a great deal less fuel. The post that gave fuel figures was spot on with the latest 4.2 ltr turbo deisel Patrol consuption but I am not so sure about the Landcruiser, my figures show that they are comparitive around town and the Landcruiser marginally better under heavy towing.
Some of the comments made in response to your question are just plain garbage....."you pay for what you get".....the landcruiser was "faster than my friends patrol"....landcruisers hold their value better".....in fact the petrol landcruisers have I much higher depreciation value than the patrol conter part just becuase of the price as new. Another ridiculous comment was that landcruisers are made tougher"!!!. In actual fact the differentail and drive train which takes the greatest stress when getting a heavy tow load up to speed...that is coupled with the GQ (1988-1998) 4.2 deisel has the best reputation in the 4WD business beacsue this vehicle was speciffically designed for hard work. The Transmissions and engines in the same together with the differtials have been brought right through to the current model 4.2 turbo deisel and despite the dated technology, they are UNBREAKABLE. I will not respond to the equally ignorant statement that landcruisers are better off road..beacuse this is yet another debate, but for overall versitility and vaulue for money and to hopefully answer your question I would highly recommend the 4.2 turbo deisel patrol. Nissan started manufacturing the turbo version back in 2000 and updated this with an intercooler in 2003. Also keep in mind that what ever 4WD you buy you will need to set it up to tow...and new syspension that ensures the vehicle behaves with a heavy float on is essentail.
If on the other had you had an extra 20 grand for a vehicle that performs marginally better (you can drag others of at the lights with a fully laden horse float) then seriosly look at the Landcruiser 100 series. There is no doubt that they are the most car like and have EVERYTHING (including the cooler box in the arm rest)and the engines are the most technogical in the class.

Drive each of the vehciles you think are suitable an do your own homework..get the figures

Kind regards and good luck with you final decsion.
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http://forum.cyberhorse.com.au/forums/archive/index.php/t-26953.html

The 'cruiser 100 series V8 petrol 5 speed auto is still alluring......

I see the $20K purchase price as opposed to $35+K for the equivalent diesel as a BIG bargaining chip.

$15K + in my pocket is important
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