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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39506 Gender:	Tow car for a trip 'round Auss Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:14pm It's been my dream for many years, still having fun researching the car for it. latest idea is a surprise one. Landcruiser, about 2003 model, V8 4.7L petrol.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: Tow car for a trip 'round Auss Reply #1 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:17pm go diesel
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39506 Gender:	Re: Tow car for a trip 'round Auss Reply #2 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:38pm yes, the diesels are better for towing with. Purchase price is about $15K more. Diesel cost more per litre and cost more for servicing. Any repair bills for a diesel (even a battery) is way more expensive.
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Reply #3 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:42pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

yes, the diesels are better for towing with.

Purchase price is about $15K more.

Diesel cost more per litre and cost more for servicing.
Any repair bills for a diesel (even a battery) is way more expensive.

cost more per litre but you get more mileage out of your tank .... if you look after it you shouldn't have any major issues ... servicing may be more expensive but the engines are less likely to break down and will certianly last longer than a petrol engine.

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Reply #5 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:02pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

It's been my dream for many years, still having fun researching the car for it.

latest idea is a surprise one.
Landcruiser, about 2003 model, V8 4.7L petrol.

Go for it Sprint. I have a friend who did the 6 month around Australia trip a few years ago. He emailed me all the way. I can't remember what it was he drove but he had a 4wdrive plus towed a "campervan", with Wifi and all that. Would you like me to email him and ask?

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Reply #6 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

It's been my dream for many years, still having fun researching the car for it.

latest idea is a surprise one.
Landcruiser, about 2003 model, V8 4.7L petrol.

what are you towing?

do you even know what torque the 2003 V8 landy makes?

do you know the fuel economy?

do you know how much they use when towing?

you have come to the right place.. i can help you... you only need to listen..

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Tow car for a trip 'round Auss Reply #7 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 6:56am I emailed my friend who drove around Australia a few years ago and he said he drove a D40 Navara. However, he also said that if he did it again he would choose an SR5 Hilux and put a canopy on the ute. Hope that helps.
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Reply #8 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:45pm

True Blue... wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

It's been my dream for many years, still having fun researching the car for it.

latest idea is a surprise one.
Landcruiser, about 2003 model, V8 4.7L petrol.

what are you towing?

do you even know what torque the 2003 V8 landy makes?

do you know the fuel economy?

do you know how much they use when towing?

you have come to the right place.. i can help you... you only need to listen..

Hi True,

Ah, good.

what are you towing? - No Idea, I am still in dream land

do you even know what torque the 2003 V8 landy makes? - No. It's lots though.

do you know the fuel economy? when towing something serious - about 30L/100 kms, around town expect 20L/100 kms. It might get better. The diesels are respectively about 20L/100 kms and 12L/100 kms

From what I have seen a diesel costs about $35K for something 10 years old, well over 200Kms on the clock.
Has more than likely been used to tow a caravan or horse float. This makes me choke.
An equivalent petrol costs $20K. Has often lower kms and has had a much easier life.

the toyota V8 petrols are used on the Lexus, beautiful to drive, last forever if not longer.

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.....Negus said depreciation was one of the biggest hidden costs, accounting for 37 per cent of ownership costs for any given vehicle.....

http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/car-running-costs-annual-figures-17541

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Reply #9 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:50pm

Neferti wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 6:56am:

I emailed my friend who drove around Australia a few years ago and he said he drove a D40 Navara. However, he also said that if he did it again he would choose an SR5 Hilux and put a canopy on the ute.

Hope that helps.

nef - the toyotas are on the short list.
I've been out west a few times, the further out west we go the fewer the brands of car are..
European cars are not even in toowoomba.
Commodores ventrure not far west of roma.

grey nomads/tourists have patrols and pajeros and toyotas.
the locals have toyotas and really old rough falcons for the round town stuff.

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Reply #10 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:05pm

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Toyota Landcruiser GXL (4x4) 4.5L V8 T/diesel 6sp auto 4dr wagon
$21,053.19

Toyota Landcruiser GXL (4x4) 4.6L V8 6sp Auto 4dr wagon
$20,501.13

http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_economy/vehicle_running_costs

the $20K is the annual cost. Includes depreciation, interest on loan . they are the biggies.

the diesel is 140.35c per km. fuel is 16.5c/km
petrol 136.67 per km, fuel being 21c/km

the fuel bill is just about insignificant.
The difference in the fuel bills is 5 c /km.

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Reply #11 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:51pm

A diesel engine will last way longer, with a fair bit less spent on routine maintenance than a petrol engine. I guess it depends on how much is on the clock to begin with and how much you intend clocking up over a certain period.

I'm really doubting the difference in fuel costs is that little.

I have a Diesel Mazda BT50 for work and its 60L tank gets me a range of near to 650kms of mainly motorway and city driving - probably add an extra 100-150kms to that if it was completely unloaded.
The petrol BT50 and Hilux I had before got me well less than 400kms on their 80L tanks with the same load - about 550kms completely unloaded.

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Reply #12 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:37pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

A diesel engine will last way longer, with a fair bit less spent on routine maintenance than a petrol engine. I guess it depends on how much is on the clock to begin with and how much you intend clocking up over a certain period.

I'm really doubting the difference in fuel costs is that little.

I have a Diesel Mazda BT50 for work and its 60L tank gets me a range of near to 650kms of mainly motorway and city driving - probably add an extra 100-150kms to that if it was completely unloaded.
The petrol BT50 and Hilux I had before got me well less than 400kms on their 80L tanks with the same load - about 550kms completely unloaded.

I drive a Holden Rodeo and it'll get 8.5lts per 100ks... 9lts/100 around town

towing our small poptop caravan 13.5ft we'd get 12lts/100 unless we put Shell Fuel in it, then it would blow out to 14lts/100

now with our bigger van, full caravan, of 16.5ft with full ensuite, we get from 14lts to 16lts /100 depending on head winds and crap outback fuels... Angry

the Rodeo is slightly under powered for the speed I like to drive at but will sit on 90kph to 95kph all day long..

its a company car, but if I owned it, I'd chip it and change the exhaust to push it over 400NM of torque instead of 360NM...

when not towing anything with the 74lt Tank I've pushed it nearly all the way to 800km for the tank..

for more power the BT50 or Ford Ranger is the go... 470NM of Torque or the New Holden Colorado of 500NM

my Rodeo is 2008 I think and the Early Colorado's around 2008 and 2009 onwards with the 3.0lt motor do sell for well under 20k

the Beauty of having a Dual cab is that you can stack a lot of your camping crap in the back... folding tables, chairs, small generator, grill for a fire, fire wood, extra fuel etc.. just chuck it all in Wink

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Reply #13 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 7:32pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

A diesel engine will last way longer, with a fair bit less spent on routine maintenance than a petrol engine. I guess it depends on how much is on the clock to begin with and how much you intend clocking up over a certain period.

I'm really doubting the difference in fuel costs is that little.

I have a Diesel Mazda BT50 for work and its 60L tank gets me a range of near to 650kms of mainly motorway and city driving - probably add an extra 100-150kms to that if it was completely unloaded.
The petrol BT50 and Hilux I had before got me well less than 400kms on their 80L tanks with the same load - about 550kms completely unloaded.

Hi Life,

yes, I am finding many figures hard to correlate.
The figures you give are of the same ratio to these I have gleamed from the net. for 'cruisers.
The diesels here use about 2/3 the fuel petrols do. On a litre for litre basis.

To balance it up, diesel is dearer than petrol. I was under the understanding diesels have to be serviced more often than petrols and are dearer when they are serviced.

Will see what else I can post
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...........when towing something serious - about 30L/100 kms, around town expect 20L/100 kms. It might get better. The diesels are respectively about 20L/100 kms and 12L/100 kms............

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Reply #14 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 7:44pm

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I was under the understanding diesels have to be serviced more often than petrols and are dearer when they are serviced.

I've run both as cabs, and never noticed any appreciable difference. The mechanics want the diesel in every 10,000 klms, but I safely eke that out to at least 13,000 +.

Service is a pretty loose term, but all they really do is give the vehicle a close examination, change the oil and oil filter, pump some grease in to some places....and out you go.

Obviously, it will be more extensive if stuff needs replacing like brake pads, rotors, air filters and the like, but that would be the same with each vehicle.

I am into my second diesel cab. The first went for 951,000 klms when it ran out of time (can only use a car as a cab for six years from the compliance plate date) and the head never came off. The second (current) is at 2.75 years and at 434,000 klms, and it purrs. Not one issue.

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