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Reply #15 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:05am

My question is, what was stopping the US swearing out an extradition warrant against Assange when he was in the UK? Why do they have to wait until he's in Swedish custody? The US has an extradition treaty with the UK, so that part of the Assange story doesn't add up.

Perhap as as Karnal suggests, "sometimes a question is just a question" and perhaps the Swedes want Assange for, *GASP* sexual assault questioning, rather than to do the bidding of the US Justice department?

Of course, what was stopping the US intelligence services from grabbing Assange off the streets of the UK, like they have so many Terrorist suspects in other countries?

Sorry, I tend to think the whole Assange saga is a whole lot of attention seeking BS.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Julian Assange true Australian hero may be freed Reply #16 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:08am Assange is a hero, as is Snowden. Don't think either one of them will lead a very happy life however ...
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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Julian Assange true Australian hero may be freed Reply #17 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:11am AiA wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:08am: Assange is a hero, as is Snowden. Don't think either one of them will lead a very happy life however ... Happiness is relative. Some people sacrifice for the greater good. Neither of these two heros did it for the money.
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Reply #18 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:15am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:11am:

AiA wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

Assange is a hero, as is Snowden. Don't think either one of them will lead a very happy life however ...

Happiness is relative. Some people sacrifice for the greater good. Neither of these two heros did it for the money.

Either of them could easily encounter a tragic, deadly *accident* one day ...

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Reply #19 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:15am

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:05am:

My question is, what was stopping the US swearing out an extradition warrant against Assange when he was in the UK? Why do they have to wait until he's in Swedish custody? The US has an extradition treaty with the UK, so that part of the Assange story doesn't add up.

Perhap as as Karnal suggests, "sometimes a question is just a question" and perhaps the Swedes want Assange for, *GASP* sexual assault questioning, rather than to do the bidding of the US Justice department?

Of course, what was stopping the US intelligence services from grabbing Assange off the streets of the UK, like they have so many Terrorist suspects in other countries?

Sorry, I tend to think the whole Assange saga is a whole lot of attention seeking BS.

The Swedes were invited to question Assange in Ecuadorian embassy London, but they refused. They were offered a questioning session by video conference but they refused.

The Swedes are renowned stooges of the USA and it appears Assange was set up by the two bimbos alleging that he didn't wear a condom during consensual sex. There is no question that there was any act that was not consensual on the part of the bimbos.

The bimbos probably got well paid for their services by USA.

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Reply #20 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:21am

The Swedes are entitled to demand he be interviewed in their country or in the UK for the charges of rape.

It is not for a rape accuser to dictate terms to the authorities.

If he wished to stay in the Ecuador embassy for years and years - then thats fine. Let him do so.
No skin off our nose, we'll wait outside in the fresh air.

Have some of that Assange

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Reply #21 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:37am

Hero or villain?

Perhaps a bit of both, one has to be, especially when hacking into corporate and government wrong doings and then to expose them.
He also gave technical advice to the Victoria Police Child Exploitation Unit and assisted with prosecutions.

Surely he can't be all that bad?

Yeah sure, the USA would love to get their hands on Julian, wouldn't they Wink

after all, he did expose their dirty laundry in public.

Let's face it, if any one of us, found a way to see what they were up to, and it wasn't for the better of mankind, what would you do? Since the USA is supposedly the 'land of the free and brave'?
Really? That's bs. If anyone opens their gob or be a witness for something mammoth that goes against the government/agencies/fbi etc or their wrong doings , they will be dead meat.
It's 'top secret' doncha know? Roll Eyes

Good on Assange for having the guts to do something, even if it put his freedom at risk.

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Reply #22 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:52am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

The Swedes are entitled to demand he be interviewed in their country or in the UK for the charges of rape.

It is not for a rape accuser to dictate terms to the authorities.

If he wished to stay in the Ecuador embassy for years and years - then thats fine. Let him do so.
No skin off our nose, we'll wait outside in the fresh air.

Have some of that Assange

Cameron will be a laughing stock if the International Court of Justice rules in favour of Julian Assange.

There are no "charges" against Assange. There is no evidence that either of the 2 bimbos involved have laid a formal complaint. He is wanted for questioning in a sham setup to extradite him to USA. The Swedes are total stooges.

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Reply #23 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:15am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

The Swedes are entitled to demand he be interviewed in their country or in the UK for the charges of rape.

m No,they arent. hes an Australian citizen and the only reason he has to hole up in the ecuadorean embassy is because our government is too gutless to protect our own citizens. Which is a disgrace.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Julian Assange true Australian hero may be freed Reply #24 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:16am Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:52am: [ t. He is wanted for questioning in a sham setup to extradite him to USA. The Swedes are total stooges. yes agreed.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 31417 Gender:	Re: Julian Assange true Australian hero may be freed Reply #25 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 8:54am ditto ...Agreed How does not wearing a condom during consensual sex constitute grounds to claim/allege a "rape"? It's a load of BS.
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Reply #26 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:13am

That's it exactly!
Assange poured a cold bucket of ice over the USA when it least expected and as if they deserved it for being 'drunk' with power, rather than for being 'charitable'.

Also: there have been more women come out to express how 'good he was to them' both sexually and financially
(they were well treated) than a mere few Prostitutes being paid by the Swedish/USA peevers to accuse him via ENTRAPMENT. Angry

The World is about to see what a BULLY can do, when Assange WILL BE taken to Sweden and all other accounts for his actions of serving the World as a Whole and not just the USA 'inner sanctum'...
...am sleeping to an Audio Disc set of 100 great Entrepeneurs: so far, its apparent that the USA companies really do exploit the concept of "...its not the Right or Wrong, its the DEEPEST POCKET" as also enforced by any TM/Patent Attorney (via a BEC's seminar Wink

). We will see this USA 'way' soon.

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Reply #27 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 11:29am

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:05am:

My question is, what was stopping the US swearing out an extradition warrant against Assange when he was in the UK? Why do they have to wait until he's in Swedish custody? The US has an extradition treaty with the UK, so that part of the Assange story doesn't add up.

Perhap as as Karnal suggests, "sometimes a question is just a question" and perhaps the Swedes want Assange for, *GASP* sexual assault questioning, rather than to do the bidding of the US Justice department?

Of course, what was stopping the US intelligence services from grabbing Assange off the streets of the UK, like they have so many Terrorist suspects in other countries?

Sorry, I tend to think the whole Assange saga is a whole lot of attention seeking BS.

I imagine the extradition treaties between the UK and European counties is much easier then the standard UK/USA/Aust extradition treaties. EG the Aust/UK extradition treaty does not impose a duty on Aust to extradite someone for what is effectively questioning a suspect (quite an absurd idea when you think about it). Most extradition treaties and certainly the one between UK and the USA have what they call a duel criminality clause. That is, you have to show that the conduct for which the person is wanted in the requesting country is also a crime in the holding country. Also the requesting country needs to issue a warrant for that person's arrest on the charges for which his extradition is being sought. So I think the answer to your question rest with this (i) has the USA charged Assange with a criminal offence and issued a warrant for his arrest on those charges and if so (and I don't know the answer to that question) (ii) what are those charges and would the same conduct if undertaken in the UK have amounted to a crime in the UK. Last I heard it is not an offence for journalists to ply their trade in the UK.

PS Sorry there is a third thing also. The standard non European UK extradition treaties also include a prima facie case requirement. That is the requesting country must satisfy the holding country that they (the requesting country) have enough evidence against the accused to amount to a prima facie case against him/her; that is a case which on its face raises isuues of the defendants guilt which if left unanswered would result in a conviction. Its a high standard test and one whioch the americans might wisely have felt (along woith other issues ) that they could not have satisfied. Much better to get their lackey co@k suc%ing friends in the sweedish conservative govt to get hold of him and then get them to hand him over. God Bless Ecuador.

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Shakey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 905 Gender:	Re: Julian Assange true Australian hero may be freed Reply #28 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:12pm The National Museum should put Assange's pus filled todger on display once he's executed. This could serve as a memorial to a truly repulsive, syphilitic little worm.
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ImSpartacus2 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6913	Re: Julian Assange true Australian hero may be freed Reply #29 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:25pm Shakey wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:12pm: The National Museum should put Assange's pus filled todger on display once he's executed. This could serve as a memorial to a truly repulsive, syphilitic little worm. God Bless Ecuador!!!
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