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Aug 22nd, 2014 at 10:22am
 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/theft-of-money-funded-clerk-lalaine-ag...

DATA entry clerk Lalaine Agtarap has admitted stealing almost $3 million from her employer before using it to turn over a whopping $23 million through poker machines during a gambling spree at leagues clubs and The Star casino.

In one night, Agtarap withdrew $60,000 in cash and lost the lot playing the machines at the casino.

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“It was my habit to play the maximum bet which at (The Star) casino is $100,’’ she told police.

Agtarap lost almost $13 million at the casino ­between 2009 and 2013.

She also lost almost $4 million in about two years at the Collegians Club and almost $6 million at Wests ­Illawarra club, both in Wollongong, where she lived.


how on earth can someone steal from a company for 6 years.. and then be found to have gambled away $23m over that time???

I do not know how this is possible..

someone can play a machine until they lose $60.000 in one night and no one bats an eyelid..

if they can tell how many millions someone puts through a poker machine...then surely there has to be some obligation on the part of clubs where someone needs to be notified when it is going on......

if you have a large amounts going in or coming out of a bank account... do they not have an obligation to report it?
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Reply #1 - Aug 26th, 2014 at 9:44am
 
How do people know she gambled the $23 million away?
Is it based only on what she told them, or do they have some record of it?

If she had any sense she would have lied and would have a few mill salted away somewhere, but gamblers aren't usually that organised, I guess.
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Reply #2 - Aug 26th, 2014 at 3:42pm
 
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how on earth can someone steal from a company for 6 years..


I'd be asking my auditors for a refund and an explanation.....

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Reply #3 - Aug 26th, 2014 at 4:01pm
 
sherri wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 9:44am:
How do people know she gambled the $23 million away?
Is it based only on what she told them, or do they have some record of it?

If she had any sense she would have lied and would have a few mill salted away somewhere, but gamblers aren't usually that organised, I guess.



they can tell where she spent it..

goes to show what sort of ethics these casinos have to have to gain a licence.....and she WITHDREW $60.000 in one night..

I cant even draw $600.. what is going on??

.. seems not only one law but also another set of rules for those who CAN..and DO..

I would think where she worked someone figured out how much was missing and who took it Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I dont think the casinos dobbed her in..
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Reply #4 - Aug 26th, 2014 at 5:49pm
 
Casino's are syphoning off everyone's money via their 'loyal Addicts'.

How many workplaces have you been in where there's always one with their hands in the till and on the books, racing down to the local TAB and Club with Pokies.

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Reply #5 - Aug 26th, 2014 at 6:04pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 5:49pm:
Casino's are syphoning off everyone's money via their 'loyal Addicts'.

How many workplaces have you been in where there's always one with their hands in the till and on the books, racing down to the local TAB and Club with Pokies.




Very few, actually.
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Reply #6 - Aug 27th, 2014 at 6:29am
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 5:49pm:
Casino's are syphoning off everyone's money via their 'loyal Addicts'.

How many workplaces have you been in where there's always one with their hands in the till and on the books, racing down to the local TAB and Club with Pokies.




thats the reason behind the theft..

an addiction...

please dont tell me a casino doesnt have a clue how much someone is pouring through their machines...

how many multi millionaires would they have in Wollongong??????..

I am surprised they find the time to go to work to steal the money in the first place...
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Reply #7 - Aug 27th, 2014 at 9:40am
 
Casino's DO KNOW who the big spenders are, especially for the possibility that it is all 'counterfeit' money to start with.
Casino's 'support' all the 'enjoyment' that comes with people playing at their tables.

I made $10,000 in just 2 weeks from just $100 after being sacked from a job (BackPacker Hostel). No I hardly ever gamble - for the record  Tongue  I was living in a carpark across from the Casino at the time. It was an incredibly 'exhausting' experience to do so, but it was achievable. As soon as the Casino spots that you are a 'Winner', then the real fun an games begin.
Changing of Croupiers, Dummy-Players (get a free drink) to attend and throw you off in both a 'friendly/unfriendly' manner. Croupiers purposely trying to distract you with offers of 'sex'  Huh
I wasn't a BIG winner, but I was a 'winner' none-the-less who knew how to win. The Casino became so blatant, that they gave me a friendly warning eventually - "So you're back again for your day's pay!?" I guess they caved in and accepted me taking (as a homeless/unemployed) what I needed, not what I wanted. Eventually the exhaustion got the better of me (concentration, endorthines, adrenaline, etc) and after a sudden appearance of losses ...I walked away.  Wink

Casinos know.  Wink
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Reply #8 - Aug 27th, 2014 at 10:42am
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 9:40am:
Casino's DO KNOW who the big spenders are, especially for the possibility that it is all 'counterfeit' money to start with.
Casino's 'support' all the 'enjoyment' that comes with people playing at their tables.

I made $10,000 in just 2 weeks from just $100 after being sacked from a job (BackPacker Hostel). No I hardly ever gamble - for the record  Tongue  I was living in a carpark across from the Casino at the time. It was an incredibly 'exhausting' experience to do so, but it was achievable. As soon as the Casino spots that you are a 'Winner', then the real fun an games begin.
Changing of Croupiers, Dummy-Players (get a free drink) to attend and throw you off in both a 'friendly/unfriendly' manner. Croupiers purposely trying to distract you with offers of 'sex'  Huh
I wasn't a BIG winner, but I was a 'winner' none-the-less who knew how to win. The Casino became so blatant, that they gave me a friendly warning eventually - "So you're back again for your day's pay!?" I guess they caved in and accepted me taking (as a homeless/unemployed) what I needed, not what I wanted. Eventually the exhaustion got the better of me (concentration, endorthines, adrenaline, etc) and after a sudden appearance of losses ...I walked away.  Wink

Casinos know.  Wink



LOL

All that trouble because you won 10K in 2 weeks!

Sounds like bollocks.

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Reply #9 - Aug 27th, 2014 at 10:47am
 
$1 machine at our local pub you can bet $10 per spin, 12 spins a minute = $120/minute or $7,200/hour.
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King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 10:47am:
$1 machine at our local pub you can bet $10 per spin, 12 spins a minute = $120/minute or $7,200/hour.


Personally I don't believe pokies have any place in pubs.

The old card machines where you could win a maximum of $100, or a couple of slabs, were OK.

But pokies? No. Sorry.
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Reply #11 - Aug 27th, 2014 at 12:36pm
 
Kat wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 12:23pm:
King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 10:47am:
$1 machine at our local pub you can bet $10 per spin, 12 spins a minute = $120/minute or $7,200/hour.


Personally I don't believe pokies have any place in pubs.

The old card machines where you could win a maximum of $100, or a couple of slabs, were OK.

But pokies? No. Sorry.


I guess it will always be "you don't have to play them" and to be fair they are removed from the actual "main bar" in most places.

They definately can suck people in (and i have been at times - looking for a good "win")



A letter i had in the local rag the other day, might interest you.....


To the editor,

The $120/hour loss on the pokies (Sunraysia Daily, 4.06.14), betting a minimum $1 per bet is extremely conservative.

At a minimum $1 per bet, taking a generous 5 seconds per play, equates to 12 plays or $12/minute, that adds up to $720 an hour if you don't get any returns.

Here are some things that would help.

Usually you get a choice of credits to bet per line, but these have strange incremental increases. 1 credit, 2, 5, 10, 25. Make it 1,2,3,4,5.

No noise. No noise or music or flashing signs congratulating you unless you actually win (maybe twice or 1.5 times) more than you gamble. If you gamble your $1 and "win" 50 cents (a 50 cent loss) the machine should not play a tune and tell you it "Likes your style", most places would be dead quiet. Listen to the lady in the story "Jane" laying in bed hearing the music, she's right, you get on a roll one day and the next you can hear the noise of the wins in your head.

Remove linked jackpots between sets of machines.

Introduce a system where there must be a certain amount of time between spins. I watched a lady next to me the other day. I put in my $20 and watched each reel stop spinning, looked at each result, spun again. This lady rammed through $250 (not the first machine she had played) and didn't care what the reels came up as, win or lose she just hit the spin button as soon as possible. I left soon after. I witnessed her counting through about $500 remaining in her purse (there's a separate warning there!)

Restrict opening times. No one needs to play the pokies for breakfast.

Generic. Make them all the same. No "Queen of the Nile" or "Mystic Indian". Generic machines with the same payout rates, same pictures on the reels, same features.

Make gaming areas "dry", no alcohol, just like smoking. Make people remove themselves from the environment for a while, some might think about going back in and blowing another $100. (Crikey i don't like that idea mate!!)

But in the end Mr Vernon Knight is correct, government makes too much money. Also many venues would struggle to stay open and some people will still be addicted to the thrill of the "win".



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King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 12:36pm:
Kat wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 12:23pm:
King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 10:47am:
$1 machine at our local pub you can bet $10 per spin, 12 spins a minute = $120/minute or $7,200/hour.


Personally I don't believe pokies have any place in pubs.

The old card machines where you could win a maximum of $100, or a couple of slabs, were OK.

But pokies? No. Sorry.


I guess it will always be "you don't have to play them" and to be fair they are removed from the actual "main bar" in most places.

They definately can suck people in (and i have been at times - looking for a good "win")



A letter i had in the local rag the other day, might interest you.....


To the editor,

The $120/hour loss on the pokies (Sunraysia Daily, 4.06.14), betting a minimum $1 per bet is extremely conservative.

At a minimum $1 per bet, taking a generous 5 seconds per play, equates to 12 plays or $12/minute, that adds up to $720 an hour if you don't get any returns.

Here are some things that would help.

Usually you get a choice of credits to bet per line, but these have strange incremental increases. 1 credit, 2, 5, 10, 25. Make it 1,2,3,4,5.

No noise. No noise or music or flashing signs congratulating you unless you actually win (maybe twice or 1.5 times) more than you gamble. If you gamble your $1 and "win" 50 cents (a 50 cent loss) the machine should not play a tune and tell you it "Likes your style", most places would be dead quiet. Listen to the lady in the story "Jane" laying in bed hearing the music, she's right, you get on a roll one day and the next you can hear the noise of the wins in your head.

Remove linked jackpots between sets of machines.

Introduce a system where there must be a certain amount of time between spins. I watched a lady next to me the other day. I put in my $20 and watched each reel stop spinning, looked at each result, spun again. This lady rammed through $250 (not the first machine she had played) and didn't care what the reels came up as, win or lose she just hit the spin button as soon as possible. I left soon after. I witnessed her counting through about $500 remaining in her purse (there's a separate warning there!)

Restrict opening times. No one needs to play the pokies for breakfast.

Generic. Make them all the same. No "Queen of the Nile" or "Mystic Indian". Generic machines with the same payout rates, same pictures on the reels, same features.

Make gaming areas "dry", no alcohol, just like smoking. Make people remove themselves from the environment for a while, some might think about going back in and blowing another $100. (Crikey i don't like that idea mate!!)

But in the end Mr Vernon Knight is correct, government makes too much money. Also many venues would struggle to stay open and some people will still be addicted to the thrill of the "win".






This might come as somewhat of a surprise to you, but, if we have to have them, I basically agree with most of your points.

One you didn't mention, and which I've seen frequently, is someone sitting at a 'central' machine, playing it and the ones on
their immediate left and right as well and at the same time. Some clubs police this, but many don't.
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Reply #13 - Aug 27th, 2014 at 7:30pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 6:29am:
how many multi millionaires would they have in Wollongong??????..


quite a few actually
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Reply #14 - Aug 27th, 2014 at 7:36pm
 
people make such a drama about pokies ....

we could learn a thing or two from Norway ... saw a row of 5 pokies in a shopping centre and available for anyone to play, no matter what age

you know how many were playing on them? NO ONE  ... not for the whole hour I was there and according to my sister who lives there, thats normal  ... why? I have a theory .... because when someone does play its a kid .. they lose their pocket money, get pissed off with the machines and don't play anymore

instead we treat them like they are something secial ...kids grow up wanting to try them and waiting until they are old enough to try ... it's a milestone in growing up ... by this stage their peers are putting pressure on them over who can bet the most, and they end up hooked on the machines.
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