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Substance Abuse Depression/Suicide - who's next?
Aug 19th, 2014 at 1:17am
 
I feel sorry for people who suffer Depression due to circumstances beyond their control.
Be it a person who has lost their partner, child, etc.
A Police officer who has to front up to another road accident where brains of an innocent...
A person who is 'older' un-educated, bad back and still unemployed and doesn't spend his money on 'recreational' substances and luxuries.
Someone who lives in abject poverty (not due to too many children) under an oppressive bullying Regime that prevents him making a better life.
ETC

Should I feel sorry for people who 'self-inflict' their Depression with 'Affairs', Drugs, Alcohol and ignore/abuse any Medical Help they are given (many times for 'free!')?
Should I feel sorry for people with Depression who have all the time and money to accommodate a change in Life to steer them away from the triggers of Depression?

So who is the next Celebrity to 'suicide' ?
So who is the next person to SUFFER FOR THEIR ART?

Would Kostya Tszuyu continue to Professionally Box,
although he was continually being knocked out and beaten every time?? Would he also continue believing that he had those fights won and that he was robbed, etc ?? Roll Eyes
Should we feel sorry for him, for ignoring advice for him to Retire?

Should we support/accept Celebrities who need to FAKE IT TO MAKE IT (like a fake blonde)
because
LIFE IS SHORT - PLAY (DIE) HARD !!

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #1 - Aug 26th, 2014 at 9:48am
 
I feel sorry for people with depression. For a lot of them, it can be triggered by real troubles in their lives, although some of the celebrity suicides, well, they should know better. You do wonder if the drugs have scrambled their brains but no doubt some of them believed the hype and thought they were special and bullet proof when it came to drugs.

The sad thing is no one needs to commit suicide, we are all going to die anyway. Nothing surer.
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Reply #2 - Aug 26th, 2014 at 10:57am
 

Drawing rather a long bow, to blame it all (or even mostly) on drugs.
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Reply #3 - Aug 26th, 2014 at 12:05pm
 
Very well said Sherri.


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...you may be right. But there is still only one target out of two there, that can be aimed for.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 4:38pm
 
When it comes to domestic violence, some of the bruises are on the inside. Physical, emotional, or sexual abuse by an intimate partner can have a profound effect on your physical and mental well-being. The abuse can even trigger clinical depression, a serious mental health disorder.

Abuse is traumatic. Living through that trauma can affect you in many ways. You may feel hopeless or sad about your life. Perhaps you’ve started to feel detached from others, including loved ones. The emotional burden can make it seem as though you’re unable to make a decision or concentrate on anything. When you live with these symptoms for more than two weeks and they impact how you live your life, you may have depression.

The Link Between Domestic Violence and Depression

It’s clear that being the victim of violence plays a role in a woman’s mental well-being. The negative effect is strong enough that at least one researcher refers to domestic violence as the “hidden epidemic” linked to mental health conditions. Women who are in violent relationships have nearly twice the risk of depression, according to a review of studies examining more than 36,000 people.

In addition to the stress of abuse itself, other factors may contribute to depression symptoms in victimized women. For instance, the severity of abuse has been linked to the severity of depression symptoms. New mothers in abusive relationships were also found to be twice as likely to suffer postpartum depression. Genetics, alcohol abuse, and serious illness can all contribute to a higher risk of depression in women living in a violent relationship.

It is also possible that a woman who is depressed is more likely to become the victim of abuse. The large review of 36,000 people found that women who struggled with depression had almost double the risk of becoming victims of domestic violence. It’s a finding that suggests some women may struggle with a cycle of depression and domestic violence that can be hard to escape from.
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Reply #5 - Aug 31st, 2014 at 4:00am
 
Perses wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
When it comes to domestic violence, some of the bruises are on the inside. Physical, emotional, or sexual abuse by an intimate partner can have a profound effect on your physical and mental well-being. The abuse can even trigger clinical depression, a serious mental health disorder.

Abuse is traumatic. Living through that trauma can affect you in many ways. You may feel hopeless or sad about your life. Perhaps you’ve started to feel detached from others, including loved ones. The emotional burden can make it seem as though you’re unable to make a decision or concentrate on anything. When you live with these symptoms for more than two weeks and they impact how you live your life, you may have depression.

The Link Between Domestic Violence and Depression

It’s clear that being the victim of violence plays a role in a woman’s mental well-being. The negative effect is strong enough that at least one researcher refers to domestic violence as the “hidden epidemic” linked to mental health conditions. Women who are in violent relationships have nearly twice the risk of depression, according to a review of studies examining more than 36,000 people.

In addition to the stress of abuse itself, other factors may contribute to depression symptoms in victimized women. For instance, the severity of abuse has been linked to the severity of depression symptoms. New mothers in abusive relationships were also found to be twice as likely to suffer postpartum depression. Genetics, alcohol abuse, and serious illness can all contribute to a higher risk of depression in women living in a violent relationship.

It is also possible that a woman who is depressed is more likely to become the victim of abuse. The large review of 36,000 people found that women who struggled with depression had almost double the risk of becoming victims of domestic violence. It’s a finding that suggests some women may struggle with a cycle of depression and domestic violence that can be hard to escape from.

well said: dryly the word 'comorbidity' eventually creeps its way into the conversation but yes, basically- abuse is a real killer.



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Reply #6 - Aug 31st, 2014 at 8:38am
 
sherri wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 9:48am:
I feel sorry for people with depression. For a lot of them, it can be triggered by real troubles in their lives, although some of the celebrity suicides, well, they should know better.



Why is that? 'Celebrities' are no better or worse than anyone else. They shouldn't be held more accountable for being unable to continue to battle on.


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Reply #7 - Aug 31st, 2014 at 9:37am
 
Perses wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
When it comes to domestic violence, some of the bruises are on the inside. Physical, emotional, or sexual abuse by an intimate partner can have a profound effect on your physical and mental well-being. The abuse can even trigger clinical depression, a serious mental health disorder.

Abuse is traumatic. Living through that trauma can affect you in many ways. You may feel hopeless or sad about your life. Perhaps you’ve started to feel detached from others, including loved ones. The emotional burden can make it seem as though you’re unable to make a decision or concentrate on anything. When you live with these symptoms for more than two weeks and they impact how you live your life, you may have depression.

The Link Between Domestic Violence and Depression

It’s clear that being the victim of violence plays a role in a woman’s mental well-being. The negative effect is strong enough that at least one researcher refers to domestic violence as the “hidden epidemic” linked to mental health conditions. Women who are in violent relationships have nearly twice the risk of depression, according to a review of studies examining more than 36,000 people.

In addition to the stress of abuse itself, other factors may contribute to depression symptoms in victimized women. For instance, the severity of abuse has been linked to the severity of depression symptoms. New mothers in abusive relationships were also found to be twice as likely to suffer postpartum depression. Genetics, alcohol abuse, and serious illness can all contribute to a higher risk of depression in women living in a violent relationship.

It is also possible that a woman who is depressed is more likely to become the victim of abuse. The large review of 36,000 people found that women who struggled with depression had almost double the risk of becoming victims of domestic violence. It’s a finding that suggests some women may struggle with a cycle of depression and domestic violence that can be hard to escape from.


Twice the risk of whom?  Greater society, or other women?
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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 6:08pm
 
I honestly think that celebrity depression stems from the fact that they have it all realise it isn't as cracked up as it's perceived to be.

Add to that the fact that people are constantly watching them and writing about them and they have a lack of privacy, and they can't really be themselves because they're expected to behave in a certain way.

I think being a celebrity, especially a Hollywood star, would cause some major psychological problems. They not only have to act for the movies they play a role in/stage shows they perform, but in their "real" life as well.
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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:12pm
 
well I don't think suicide is essentially linked to substance abuse... or position in the hierarchy in which we all live.

I find it hard to accept these generalisations.. people are people.. rich, famous, poor, unemployed.. depression doesn't reflect on wealth or privilege...  so you are rich and/or famous..??  This is some armor against depression..??
NO.. it doesn't work that way.

See //?? you don't choose depression...   it is a much more basic  issue than choice. 

I'd love to choose to ignore the issue of depression.. but I cannot.  Just living day to day ..it can become an enormous battle to survive.

YOUR opinions really mean nothing.. and to denigrate a depressive individual because they have supposedly had all the chances in the world is just blind prejudice.

Women..?  well yes we do face much harder challenges than most MEN understand.. and certainly abuse by males is a definite precursor.. especially when it keeps on happening whatever one does.

Hopelessness and despair.. are  I suggest.. a major cause of depression,  not a symptom.. Powerlessness in face of adversity also.

Look at our farmers.. Sad

It is a HUMAN condition.. and puttinf shite on depressed people is just a sicko response.





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Reply #10 - Sep 8th, 2014 at 10:12pm
 
Suicide is a way of ending pain. When people get a toothache, what is it that they want? they want it to STOP so, they go to the dentist, have it fixed, a little pain and then, a few weeks later it is gone.

Depression isn't like that, pain lasts for so long and all the "they should be able to snap out of it" doesn't work, you are afraid to TELL anyone because you might be considered a wussy or be told "I am worse off than that" OR, "I know how you feel" bullshit.

All you know is that overriding push inside you to END THE PAIN. You don't consider anyone else's pain BUT your own and you also think that others will be happy when I am gone and that no one will really miss me.

So, to all those who THINK they have an answer or, that they say things like "he/she is a coward" doesn't he/she "know what they are doing to their family"? You know jack.
If the pain was so easy to get rid of, suicide would be no problem at all. Next time someone has a glib comment about someone who has committed suicide, keep it to yourself.
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Reply #11 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:36pm
 
I Always hated that song from Mash : Suicide is painless.
It hurts.
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Reply #12 - Sep 23rd, 2014 at 2:23am
 
I choose to continue ... 

I choose to keep on living

I choose to face the daily rubbish

I choose to fight/argue against things I don't agree with

I choose to exist and to make my existence count..

for someone(s) somewhere.. in addition to MY SELF.

I care... 




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Reply #13 - Sep 23rd, 2014 at 6:21am
 


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Reply #14 - Sep 23rd, 2014 at 8:38am
 
Some very impressive contributions here. Suicide is a silent killer. It nearly always comes as a surprise when someone 'tops' themself.

I've known someone who stabbed himself to death, another who shot himself, and another who killed himself rather than go through with a marriage (that put her bedridden, upstairs where I was living with my aunt. I would try to comfort her with cups of tea, etc).

The saddest of all suicides are the schoolgirls who kill themselves because of bullying.

The accidental overdoses with a needle stuck in their arm ~ leaves me cold. It's not strictly suicide, but neither is 'Base Jumping' off tall buildings or doing circus acts in an old Tiger Moth bi-plane with stress-fractures where the wings attach to the fuselage.

I know they're psychiatric cases, and I should sympathise with them, but it's still a matter of them foolishly dancing with the Devil at their own risk.
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