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Ukraine approves armed AFP officers at MH17 site
Aug 1st, 2014 at 6:56am
 
AUSTRALIA has won approval to send elite armed officers to protect investigative teams in their efforts to scour the Malaysia Airlines crash site for human remains after the recalled Ukrainian parliament passed special legislation. 
 
Announcing that cadaver sniffer dogs had also been permitted to join the recovery mission, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop tweeted from Kiev: “Ukraine Rada votes #MH17 Netherlands-Australia investigation 324 in favour. Thank you Ukraine.”

According to translations of the special Ukrainian agreement, the Australian force will include “no more than 250 armed men” who are not part of Australia’s armed forces and whose task is to ensure the protection of the crash sites.

“Australian personnel are allowed to have and bear arms, as well as the use of force within the required activities to achieve the objectives (of the mission), including the use of deadly force in self-defence,” ran one translation of the agreement.

A small, unarmed reconnaissance team of international observers, including two Australians, have already made it to the site after departing from Donetsk early in the Ukraine morning.

Dutch police said the situation around the crash site remains perilous despite a small team managing to access the scene.

“The security situation is still very unstable,” Pieter-Jaap Aalbersberg, head of the mission to repatriate the remains of the victims, told journalists in Kiev.

The Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe, or OSCE, which spent more than six hours trying to forge a safe route, tweeted that the site had been reached for the first time in almost a week by taking a new route.

The Dutch government leading the mission confirmed the team had arrived, stating: “The team will carry out further studies on the spot. At present it is only an exploration.”

It comes amid wire reports that Ukraine’s military has announced a daylong ceasefire in its assault on pro-Russian rebels near the crash site, after the United Nations issued a plea to let investigators to the area where wreckage and bodies from MH17 still lie unrecovered.

However, in the rebel-held city of Donetsk the truce does not appear to have kicked in, with loud bombing being heard from the city outskirts and intense fighting continuing in the area of the crash.

A small reconnaissance team of international observers, including two Australians, made it close to the site after departing from Donetsk early in the Ukraine morning, but the Australian Federal Police said told News Corp Australia that despite media reports, they had not made it to the crash site.

The area is now the scene of several pitched battles between Ukrainian forces and separatists, whom Ms Bishop believes are being reinforced by heavy armaments and veteran fighters crossing from Russia and surrounding republics.

“My great fear is Russia is actively undermining this process,” Ms Bishop said from Kiev.

Ukraine has said it did not intend to bomb civilian areas of Donetsk but missiles have been incoming, many of them fired in wildly inaccurate barrages that international observers says are being fired from truck-mounted Grad missile systems and cannons.

The outskirts of Donetsk, where the foreign teams are headquartered, were last night rocked by sustained barrages, believed to have been fired inwards by Ukrainian troops who have ringed the city.

Today, it appeared that separatists are firing back out of the city.

Those people who have not fled the southwest part of the city slept on floors and prayed.

“I did not sleep,” said a contact named Anton, a shop owner who described the bombing as very close to his home.

Investigators have been unable to secure the crash area as their urgent mission to retrieve the remains of up to 80 people falls foul of bitter internal war that escalated after the plane came down on July 17, killing all 298 passengers and crew.

The resolution to allow elite Australian Federal Police officers to carry arms on sorties to the site is to protect and if necessary extract investigators if they are caught in crossfire.

As Prime Minister Tony Abbott declared August 7 a national day of mourning for the 38 Australian citizens and residents on the plane, Operation Bring Them Home still remains fraught.

Claims by Ukrainian military spokesman Colonel Andriy Lysenko that separatists had placed landmines on road approaches to the crash site are not necessarily seen as credible, but it has managed to further complicate the issue.

Australia has said it will not risk its citizens’ lives.

There will be a full assessment by the team from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, or OSCE, which is working with the separatists on accessing the site, whether there is any truth to Colonel Lysenko’s claim that getting to the site was now “impossible” because of landmines.

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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 6:58am
 
Outstanding work, Julie!  Smiley
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Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:07am
 
Just more bullshit.

Notice how everyone makes use of an unsure translation.

Ukraine is not in control there, the rebels are.

More tough talk from the maggot while Australian remain lying on the ground. 

“My great fear is Russia is actively undermining this process,” the maggot said from Kiev, hoping for a few votes.
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Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:16am
 
DaS Energy wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:07am:
Just more bullshit.

Notice how everyone makes use of an unsure translation.

Ukraine is not in control there, the rebels are.

More tough talk from the maggot while Australian remain lying on the ground. 

“My great fear is Russia is actively undermining this process,” the maggot said from Kiev, hoping for a few votes.


Nice to see you're capable of rational thought. NOT!  Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:19am
 
Aussies should get out of there before someone gets killed.

It's not worth more lives to extract the bodies of the dead.
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Reply #5 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:41am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:19am:
Aussies should get out of there before someone gets killed.

It's not worth more lives to extract the bodies of the dead.


No doubt the relatives of the dead disagree with you. What if it was your wife or parents or children among the dead? You would be happy with an empty coffin at their funeral?
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Reply #6 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 8:27am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:19am:
Aussies should get out of there before someone gets killed.

It's not worth more lives to extract the bodies of the dead.



God wouldn't that make the sleazy little pome runt and the maggot delirious with joy.

A good six of hero me with that were to happen!
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Reply #7 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 8:49am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 6:58am:
Outstanding work, Julie!  Smiley

This mornings attempt at a positive spin on this dismal, kidnapping child neglectful cover up of a government comes to you directly from the PMs  assistant tea lady, hey don't be tough on her she needs her job too ya know. Tongue
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Reply #8 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 8:52am
 
DaS Energy wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:07am:
Just more bullshit.


Correct.

Needless to say it's not permission from the Ukrainians that is needed, but permission from the Russian separatists.

And Christ wept at the idiocy of this 'political triumph'.


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Reply #9 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 8:54am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:19am:
Aussies should get out of there before someone gets killed.

It's not worth more lives to extract the bodies of the dead.


At least our pollies should explain the situation and ask the relatives if it would be okay to leave their deceased over there.
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Reply #10 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 8:55am
 
DaS Energy wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:07am:
Just more bullshit.

Notice how everyone makes use of an unsure translation.

Ukraine is not in control there, the rebels are.

More tough talk from the maggot while Australian remain lying on the ground. 

“My great fear is Russia is actively undermining this process,” the maggot said from Kiev, hoping for a few votes.



oh dear sucking on the seeds of bitterness still..
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Reply #11 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 8:57am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 8:54am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:19am:
Aussies should get out of there before someone gets killed.

It's not worth more lives to extract the bodies of the dead.


At least our pollies should explain the situation and ask the relatives if it would be okay to leave their deceased over there.



personally I think they are looking for evidence...

what other reason could Russia have for stopping the search unless there is still parts of their rocket missing..


how would you be if someone asked you would you mind if we repatriate your son/daughter with maybe a head missing./.. we would rather not try to find the rest thank you.....all too hard..
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Reply #12 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 9:04am
 
It sounds like Ukraine says one thing and then does another.....

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Claims by Ukrainian military spokesman Colonel Andriy Lysenko that separatists had placed landmines on road approaches to the crash site are not necessarily seen as credible, but it has managed to further complicate the issue.


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Ukraine has said it did not intend to bomb civilian areas of Donetsk but missiles have been incoming, many of them fired in wildly inaccurate barrages that international observers says are being fired from truck-mounted Grad missile systems and cannons.

The outskirts of Donetsk, where the foreign teams are headquartered, were last night rocked by sustained barrages, believed to have been fired inwards by Ukrainian troops who have ringed the city.


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“My great fear is Russia is actively undermining this process,” Ms Bishop said from Kiev.


The Ukraine Government is very inconsistent with its handling of this issue.....If they pulled back and allowed the investigation to proceed the separatists would be the ones being held to account if the interfere.....It appears as though the biggest roadblock is Ukrainian aggression and misinformation???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #13 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 9:13am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 8:54am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:19am:
Aussies should get out of there before someone gets killed.

It's not worth more lives to extract the bodies of the dead.


At least our pollies should explain the situation and ask the relatives if it would be okay to leave their deceased over there.



You mean you want the government to ask and the families to accept that it is ok to leave the dead Australians rotting in the feild like garbage, do you. Yep, that would be the best for everyone concerned wouldn't it?  Angry


They are armed and they are capable of looking after themselves and those they are there there to protect; just because most of you are walking gun fodder, doesn't mean they are. So calm down and let them do their job


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Reply #14 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 9:22am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 9:04am:
It sounds like Ukraine says one thing and then does another.....

Quote:
Claims by Ukrainian military spokesman Colonel Andriy Lysenko that separatists had placed landmines on road approaches to the crash site are not necessarily seen as credible, but it has managed to further complicate the issue.


Quote:
Ukraine has said it did not intend to bomb civilian areas of Donetsk but missiles have been incoming, many of them fired in wildly inaccurate barrages that international observers says are being fired from truck-mounted Grad missile systems and cannons.

The outskirts of Donetsk, where the foreign teams are headquartered, were last night rocked by sustained barrages, believed to have been fired inwards by Ukrainian troops who have ringed the city.


Quote:
“My great fear is Russia is actively undermining this process,” Ms Bishop said from Kiev.


The Ukraine Government is very inconsistent with its handling of this issue.....If they pulled back and allowed the investigation to proceed the separatists would be the ones being held to account if the interfere.....It appears as though the biggest roadblock is Ukrainian aggression and misinformation???

Huh Huh Huh



phil the fighting is taking place on Ukraine soil....if someone was shooting at your back door.. would you retreat??? or fire back?
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