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Re: Will the GG beat Tony to a DD?
Reply #15 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 10:09am

Its time wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 9:32pm:

Cosgrove must've received countless letters on the current governments ineptitude, I have personally sent over 370, will he beat Tony to a DD and dissolve this farce?

370.. hilarious.. I bet the GG is watching YOU... psycho Roll Eyes

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stop sucking those bitter pills. they are starting to show.

370 OMG.. Grin

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Re: Will the GG beat Tony to a DD?
Reply #16 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 10:13am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 10:07am:

John S wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 9:07am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 11:54pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 11:45pm:

Question. What Bills have not be passed to allow a DD to be called?

None so far.

The GG doesn't need any bills rejected twice to call a DD.

The government is there for the Queens (GG) pleasure so the government can be sacked at anytime, he can used his reserve powers.

Think back to 1975 was the budget rejected twice in 3 months it was not passed by the senate until the government was dismissed

In other words, supply was blocked, which is one of the required conditions for a DD.

And while it is possible for the GG to act independently and call a DD at any time, in reality, the Government needs to be seen to be unworkable before one will be called.

it wont happen... its just some silly dream from someone from the left.. living in hope the assassins will be re elected....its all a dream though...I think the GG must very busy sifting through those 370 requests.. for a DD... I wondered what the banging was coming from Government House....[head banging] Grin

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Re: Will the GG beat Tony to a DD?
Reply #17 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 10:21am

John S wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 9:07am:

The GG doesn't need any bills rejected twice to call a DD.

Yes, he does. See section 57 of the Constitution.

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The government is there for the Queens (GG) pleasure so the government can be sacked at anytime, he can used his reserve powers.

Not without cause.

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Think back to 1975 was the budget rejected twice in 3 months it was not passed by the senate until the government was dismissed

This was the Liberals blocking supply. The only reason why there was a DD was because supply was blocked for long enough that the supply bills themselves became valid triggers for a DD election.

The coup d'état that was engineered in 1975 would not have taken place had Whitlam sought an election earlier than 11 November 1975. Whitlam's preferred option of a House and half-Senate election was reasonable, but Fraser wanted a double dissolution election because he could gain control of the Senate.

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Re: Will the GG beat Tony to a DD?
Reply #18 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 10:30am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 10:07am:

John S wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 9:07am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 11:54pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 11:45pm:

Question. What Bills have not be passed to allow a DD to be called?

None so far.

The GG doesn't need any bills rejected twice to call a DD.

The government is there for the Queens (GG) pleasure so the government can be sacked at anytime, he can used his reserve powers.

Think back to 1975 was the budget rejected twice in 3 months it was not passed by the senate until the government was dismissed

In other words, supply was blocked, which is one of the required conditions for a DD.

And while it is possible for the GG to act independently and call a DD at any time, in reality, the Government needs to be seen to be unworkable before one will be called.

Section 57 of the Constitution governs the conditions for a DD election.

I'm not sure that the GG has these reserve powers to call a DD without a trigger being in place. By convention, they do not act without the advice of the Prime Minister except under unusual circumstances. Anytime they do so is a constitutional crisis.

A state can refuse to issue writs for an election. A GG can refuse to appoint a Prime Minister. What happens then?

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Re: Will the GG beat Tony to a DD?
Reply #19 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:02am

Just proof that we have no real need for a Governor General to muddy the political waters. What is needed is the real opportunity for the people to confront a bad government and remove it or force it to an election.

The Governor General or Sovereign is in a kind of position to impose that (well - not Her Maj any longer since The Restoration) - but there is no avenue for the people to actually force such a decision on him/her.

All the ordinary person can do is keep up the pressure in the media and online etc and force polling to show clearly the failure of government.

Perhaps a popularly elected President could demand an election, but any such move has inherent dangers to democracy.

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Re: Will the GG beat Tony to a DD?
Reply #20 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:23am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 11:02am:

Just proof that we have no real need for a Governor General to muddy the political waters. What is needed is the real opportunity for the people to confront a bad government and remove it or force it to an election.

The Governor General or Sovereign is in a kind of position to impose that (well - not Her Maj any longer since The Restoration) - but there is no avenue for the people to actually force such a decision on him/her.

All the ordinary person can do is keep up the pressure in the media and online etc and force polling to show clearly the failure of government.

Perhaps a popularly elected President could demand an election, but any such move has inherent dangers to democracy.

we would be at the booths every second week at that rate...if they really want a DD then Labor could organise one no trouble....

they just dont really want one...as neither does PUP who stands to lose as well....

.people have a funny knack of not liking being told they HAVE to vote again..even more so when its about something they have elected a govt TO DO... and certain people think its their right to preven t that happening....

a bit like when the 3 independents signed up with Labor...most of their constituents were not happy.... and would have been back in the booths straight away if your system was used..

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