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An appropriate response by Australia to MH17
Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:50pm
 
It appears increasingly that Russia has scored a bit of an "own goal" with the shooting down of Malaysian Flight MH17 which killed nearly 300 people onboard with 28 of them Australians.

The Australian Government obviously feels that it is political opportune to respond to this outrage with some bluster and rhetoric.

In reality, it can't do much else.  It could ban Vladimir Putin from the G20 Conference in Brisbane.   However, that wouldn't necessarily achieve much and may well derail the important negotiations at the G20.   Preventing the leader of what, the sixth(?) largest economy from attending would seem to be rather foolish.

I believe a much better response would be to reserve an area directly in front of the hotel and the Conference meetings where Putin is staying for demonstrators, particularly Gay Activists and Ukranian patriots to demonstrate against his government's policies.   The Australian Prime Minister should also pointedly refuse to speak to him directly or shake his hand and before he speaks, stand and turn his back on Putin.

This would be far more effective and would embarrass Putin on the world stage and at home.   Cool
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Re: An appropriate response by Australia to MH17
Reply #1 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:55pm
 
The Australian Government has responded appropriately, your suggested response is nonsense by any standards. Governments just don't organise public protests, only an idiot would think any different.
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Re: An appropriate response by Australia to MH17
Reply #2 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:58pm
 
George_Orhell wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:55pm:
The Australian Government has responded appropriately, your suggested response is nonsense by any standards. Governments just don't organise public protests, only an idiot would think any different.


I haven't suggested they organise it.  Merely facilitate it by providing an appropriate and obvious arena for it, where Putin cannot avoid it.

The Australian response has been bluster and to send our useless Foreign Minister to Washington to try and ask our "great and powerful friends" to do something.   Roll Eyes
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Re: An appropriate response by Australia to MH17
Reply #3 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 3:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
George_Orhell wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:55pm:
The Australian Government has responded appropriately, your suggested response is nonsense by any standards. Governments just don't organise public protests, only an idiot would think any different.


I haven't suggested they organise it.  Merely facilitate it by providing an appropriate and obvious arena for it, where Putin cannot avoid it.

The Australian response has been bluster and to send our useless Foreign Minister to Washington to try and ask our "great and powerful friends" to do something.   Roll Eyes

Well Australia is a country with 24 million people while Russia is a massive population with the worlds second biggest nuclear arsenal. I doubt we are in a position to demand anything. Hmmmmmm?
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Re: An appropriate response by Australia to MH17
Reply #4 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 3:12pm
 
Can't see any valid reason for a splinter thread on this subject, isn't the original enough?
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Reply #5 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:40pm
 
red baron wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 3:12pm:
Can't see any valid reason for a splinter thread on this subject, isn't the original enough?


Appears not.
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Re: An appropriate response by Australia to MH17
Reply #6 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
It appears increasingly that Russia has scored a bit of an "own goal" with the shooting down of Malaysian Flight MH17 which killed nearly 300 people onboard with 28 of them Australians.


I don't think they Russians or separatists actually intended to shoot down a commercial airliner. They are not the first to make that mistake.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
The Australian Government obviously feels that it is political opportune to respond to this outrage with some bluster and rhetoric.


They have little choice, but it's good for Tony.
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Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
George_Orhell wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:55pm:
The Australian Government has responded appropriately, your suggested response is nonsense by any standards. Governments just don't organise public protests, only an idiot would think any different.


I haven't suggested they organise it.  Merely facilitate it by providing an appropriate and obvious arena for it, where Putin cannot avoid it.

The Australian response has been bluster and to send our useless Foreign Minister to Washington to try and ask our "great and powerful friends" to do something.   Roll Eyes


I doubt he has much trouble ignoring Australia in it's entirety...or were you thinking of a march through red square?
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Re: An appropriate response by Australia to MH17
Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:29pm
 
Kytro wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
It appears increasingly that Russia has scored a bit of an "own goal" with the shooting down of Malaysian Flight MH17 which killed nearly 300 people onboard with 28 of them Australians.


I don't think they Russians or separatists actually intended to shoot down a commercial airliner. They are not the first to make that mistake.


Oh, I agree.  I don't think they intended to but they made the mistake of squeezing the tit before making sure what they were aiming at.  Now Vladimir is reaping the benefit of letting local hooligans get control of and use advanced weapons.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
The Australian Government obviously feels that it is political opportune to respond to this outrage with some bluster and rhetoric.


They have little choice, but it's good for Tony.


Of course they have a choice.  There response is purely in their hands.  Our Dear Leader decided that the Russians were far enough away that he could take a poke at them.  It has the double benefit of both looking good to the electorate (who love a "talking  tough" Politician) and ingratiating himself with our "Great and Powerful Friends" across the pond.   Roll Eyes

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Re: An appropriate response by Australia to MH17
Reply #9 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:31pm
 
... wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
George_Orhell wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:55pm:
The Australian Government has responded appropriately, your suggested response is nonsense by any standards. Governments just don't organise public protests, only an idiot would think any different.


I haven't suggested they organise it.  Merely facilitate it by providing an appropriate and obvious arena for it, where Putin cannot avoid it.

The Australian response has been bluster and to send our useless Foreign Minister to Washington to try and ask our "great and powerful friends" to do something.   Roll Eyes


I doubt he has much trouble ignoring Australia in it's entirety...or were you thinking of a march through red square?


Whom? Vlad or Barry?

I think my response will have a great deal more effect and send a bigger message than calling the Ambassador into DFAT for some tea and biscuits, don't you? 
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Reply #10 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
... wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
George_Orhell wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:55pm:
The Australian Government has responded appropriately, your suggested response is nonsense by any standards. Governments just don't organise public protests, only an idiot would think any different.


I haven't suggested they organise it.  Merely facilitate it by providing an appropriate and obvious arena for it, where Putin cannot avoid it.

The Australian response has been bluster and to send our useless Foreign Minister to Washington to try and ask our "great and powerful friends" to do something.   Roll Eyes


I doubt he has much trouble ignoring Australia in it's entirety...or were you thinking of a march through red square?


Whom? Vlad or Barry?

I think my response will have a great deal more effect and send a bigger message than calling the Ambassador into DFAT for some tea and biscuits, don't you? 


I don't think getting some homos to make a racket and wave rainbow flags outside his hotel is a message I want sent at all.  Why does everything have to be about homos? 

Far from embarrassing Putin on the world stage, it'd further prove his point about homosexual propaganda.
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Reply #11 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:42pm
 
... wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
... wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
George_Orhell wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:55pm:
The Australian Government has responded appropriately, your suggested response is nonsense by any standards. Governments just don't organise public protests, only an idiot would think any different.


I haven't suggested they organise it.  Merely facilitate it by providing an appropriate and obvious arena for it, where Putin cannot avoid it.

The Australian response has been bluster and to send our useless Foreign Minister to Washington to try and ask our "great and powerful friends" to do something.   Roll Eyes


I doubt he has much trouble ignoring Australia in it's entirety...or were you thinking of a march through red square?


Whom? Vlad or Barry?

I think my response will have a great deal more effect and send a bigger message than calling the Ambassador into DFAT for some tea and biscuits, don't you? 


I don't think getting some homos to make a racket and wave rainbow flags outside his hotel is a message I want sent at all.  Why does everything have to be about homos?


It doesn't.  However we know he (as you are, it seems) is homophobic.  Therefore, we give a platform for his most vocal critics to show to him we disagree with him over this issue (and by "we" I mean the nation which believes there is nothing wrong with homosexuality as most surveys show).   He can't prevent their protesting.  He can't have them thrown in a Gulag for voicing their opinions.   He has to suffer their gauntlet everytime he enters or leaves a building. 

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Far from embarrassing Putin on the world stage, it'd further prove his point about homosexual propaganda.


You underestimate how much value he puts on "face".    Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:42pm:
He has to suffer their gauntlet everytime he enters or leaves a building. 



He'll be quaking in his boots, I'm sure. 

Besides, isn't this supposed to be a response to MH17?
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Reply #13 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 6:44pm
 
Just read this little twerp clutching at anything he, as a State Premier with zero say in the matter, can eke out of this misery.

No Link as it is from the Courier Mail which precludes them.

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PREMIER Campbell Newman has warned Russian President Vladimir Putin to ensure a “proper” investigation into the downing of MH17 is carried out — or face being barred from this year’s G20 in Brisbane.

Speaking at a Stafford by-election campaign event, Mr Newman said he believed Queenslanders would not welcome Mr Putin to Brisbane in November if the investigation was not seen to be “independent”.

There are concerns within the international community about how Russia will handle the probe into the shooting down of the aircraft, which left 28 Australians dead including seven Queenslanders.

“In relation to the G20, I’ll say this very clearly — it is my view that Queenslanders feel like this ... this is my belief, this is the sentiment that I believe is out there today,” the Premier said.


“We as a community call on President Putin and the Russian government to fully cooperate with the international community to ensure there is a proper, full independent international investigation of this event.

“If Mr Putin’s not prepared to do that, frankly I believe that Queenslanders don’t want him here at the G20. He has the opportunity to demonstrate some good faith and that can be done by properly getting behind international efforts to get to the bottom of what is clearly, in my view, a crime — a terrible crime.”

Mr Newman acknowledged that Prime Minister Tony Abbott would have the final say, adding that he planned to convey his stance to him.

“I haven’t done that personally yet, I know the Prime Minister’s very busy — I did speak to him yesterday and indeed Julie Bishop,” he said.

“But that is my reading of the situation and I’m more than happy to convey that directly to him or his office.”

Mr Newman said he didn’t want “anyone to grieve alone” and asked that “people in the community rally together to support those people” who have lost loved ones in the tragedy.

“This is a day for grieving, for mourning, for supporting the families and friends of those who’ve been lost on this aircraft,” he said.

“Flags across Queensland will be at half-mast today consistent with the national protocol.”
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Reply #14 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 7:11pm
 
... wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 5:42pm:
He has to suffer their gauntlet everytime he enters or leaves a building. 



He'll be quaking in his boots, I'm sure. 


He'll be embarrassed and that is the key point.  His supporters will see he won't be able stop the protesters.

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Besides, isn't this supposed to be a response to MH17? 


It is.  Ever hear of a asymmetric response?   His minions have shot down our citizens, we can't get at his minions but we can embarrass him.   Roll Eyes
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