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Reply #30 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

No wonder the greens get no votes these days.

Come on, you had your chance in the other thread and you ran.
Don't post the same endless drivel in this thread and ignore the opening question.

Why do humans have to procreate ... simple enough question surely.

For the same reason everything else in Nature does.

And what is that reason?

Continuation of the species is the simplest way to put it.

For what reason though?

Continuation of the species IS the reason. It's one of the basic drives of all living things after all.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 131557 Gender:	Re: Procreation Anyone? Reply #31 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:02pm *"Continuation of the species IS the reason."* Why is the continuation of the species important?
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Reply #32 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:52pm:

sherri wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

No wonder the greens get no votes these days.

Come on, you had your chance in the other thread and you ran.
Don't post the same endless drivel in this thread and ignore the opening question.

Why do humans have to procreate ... simple enough question surely.

For the same reason everything else in Nature does.

And what is that reason?

Continuation of the species is the simplest way to put it.

For what reason though?

Sometimes there doesn't have to be a reason.

It's sort of like chocolate, having a child can give people a deep sense of pleasure.

I had a friend who told us how she viewed it. For years she had listened to other women tell their birthing tales, their tales of toddlers, tales of parenthood, and then she eventually had a child.
"I have my own story now," she said.

Deep satisfaction.

If you don't want children, don't have any, it isn't obligatory.
But for a lot of people, having at least one child is something they yearn for.

And why shouldn't people exist? We have as much right to be here as any butterfly or elephant or any other form of life.

I think the world would be better off if we could lower population numbers, lower the birth rate, but trying to stop people from reproducing at all would just not work.

It is what it is, you just have to accept some things.

I'm not questioning why individuals have kids.

I'm asking why the "continuation of the species" is important.

Why is breathing important?
Same answer, because that's the way the Universe (Nature) made us.
We are what we are, it's really that simple, and the drive to breed is a part of what we are, exactly the same as every other form of life on this planet, because without that we wouldn't exist, would we?
Like I said, the question is a futile flight of philosophical fantasy Wink

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Procreation Anyone? Reply #33 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:09pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:02pm: *"Continuation of the species IS the reason."* Why is the continuation of the species important? Seriously??
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 131557 Gender:	Re: Procreation Anyone? Reply #34 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:56pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:02pm: *"Continuation of the species IS the reason."* Why is the continuation of the species important? Seriously?? Seriously. So ... ?
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xiena Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60 Canberra Gender:	Re: Procreation Anyone? Reply #35 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:58pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:56pm: And what is that reason? There is no reason. The genome just does it. We have no choice in the matter. We think we do, but over a population the driving force of the genome wins. If you want a reason, ask the genome. I doubt if you'll get an answer. It's very selfish.
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Re: Procreation Anyone?
Reply #36 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:59pm

austranger wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:52pm:

sherri wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

No wonder the greens get no votes these days.

Come on, you had your chance in the other thread and you ran.
Don't post the same endless drivel in this thread and ignore the opening question.

Why do humans have to procreate ... simple enough question surely.

For the same reason everything else in Nature does.

And what is that reason?

Continuation of the species is the simplest way to put it.

For what reason though?

Sometimes there doesn't have to be a reason.

It's sort of like chocolate, having a child can give people a deep sense of pleasure.

I had a friend who told us how she viewed it. For years she had listened to other women tell their birthing tales, their tales of toddlers, tales of parenthood, and then she eventually had a child.
"I have my own story now," she said.

Deep satisfaction.

If you don't want children, don't have any, it isn't obligatory.
But for a lot of people, having at least one child is something they yearn for.

And why shouldn't people exist? We have as much right to be here as any butterfly or elephant or any other form of life.

I think the world would be better off if we could lower population numbers, lower the birth rate, but trying to stop people from reproducing at all would just not work.

It is what it is, you just have to accept some things.

I'm not questioning why individuals have kids.

I'm asking why the "continuation of the species" is important.

Why is breathing important?
Same answer, because that's the way the Universe (Nature) made us.
We are what we are, it's really that simple, and the drive to breed is a part of what we are, exactly the same as every other form of life on this planet, because without that we wouldn't exist, would we?
Like I said, the question is a futile flight of philosophical fantasy Wink

I don't think you read the question properly.

I'm not talking about breeding.

I'm asking why the "continuation of the species" is important.

Or, to put it another way, why is it important that we exist?

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Reply #37 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

"Continuation of the species IS the reason."

Why is the continuation of the species important?

Seriously??

Seriously.

So ... ?

I say we start knocking them off as quickly as possible. The moral and intellectual bankruptcy has reached a critical level. If we don't do something immediately it will be too late. I vote we start culling them now, discretely. They think they want social darwinsim, it's time they learned what it really means. Lips Sealed

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xiena Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60 Canberra Gender:	Re: Procreation Anyone? Reply #38 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:03pm You bring reason into procreation. Bacteria procreate without reason. Lions procreate without reason. They don't ask why. Why on earth do you think that human beings are any different? Reason is not involved.
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Re: Procreation Anyone?
Reply #39 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

"Continuation of the species IS the reason."

Why is the continuation of the species important?

Seriously??

Seriously.

So ... ?

If living things didn't strive to continue their species, the species would become 'extincted'...

And nature is all about creating or starting life, not ending it.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #40 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:06pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

"Continuation of the species IS the reason."

Why is the continuation of the species important?

Seriously??

Seriously.

So ... ?

If living things didn't strive to continue their species, the species would become 'extincted'...

And nature is all about creating or starting life, not ending it.

What about the information we have gathered indicating that we are destroying the planet through overpopulation?

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Re: Procreation Anyone?
Reply #41 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:07pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

"Continuation of the species IS the reason."

Why is the continuation of the species important?

Seriously??

Seriously.

So ... ?

If living things didn't strive to continue their species, the species would become 'extincted'...

Yes, we all know that.

What I'm asking is, why is it important for us not to become extinct?

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Winston Smith Gold Member Offline Ministry of Truth Posts: 1549 Oceania Gender:	Re: Procreation Anyone? Reply #42 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:07pm xiena wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:03pm: You bring reason into procreation. Bacteria procreate without reason. Lions procreate without reason. They don't ask why. Why on earth do you think that human beings are any different? Reason is not involved. People make a conscious decision to have children, how do you explain that?
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Re: Procreation Anyone?
Reply #43 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

austranger wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:52pm:

sherri wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

No wonder the greens get no votes these days.

Come on, you had your chance in the other thread and you ran.
Don't post the same endless drivel in this thread and ignore the opening question.

Why do humans have to procreate ... simple enough question surely.

For the same reason everything else in Nature does.

And what is that reason?

Continuation of the species is the simplest way to put it.

For what reason though?

Sometimes there doesn't have to be a reason.

It's sort of like chocolate, having a child can give people a deep sense of pleasure.

I had a friend who told us how she viewed it. For years she had listened to other women tell their birthing tales, their tales of toddlers, tales of parenthood, and then she eventually had a child.
"I have my own story now," she said.

Deep satisfaction.

If you don't want children, don't have any, it isn't obligatory.
But for a lot of people, having at least one child is something they yearn for.

And why shouldn't people exist? We have as much right to be here as any butterfly or elephant or any other form of life.

I think the world would be better off if we could lower population numbers, lower the birth rate, but trying to stop people from reproducing at all would just not work.

It is what it is, you just have to accept some things.

I'm not questioning why individuals have kids.

I'm asking why the "continuation of the species" is important.

Why is breathing important?
Same answer, because that's the way the Universe (Nature) made us.
We are what we are, it's really that simple, and the drive to breed is a part of what we are, exactly the same as every other form of life on this planet, because without that we wouldn't exist, would we?
Like I said, the question is a futile flight of philosophical fantasy Wink

I don't think you read the question properly.

I'm not talking about breeding.

I'm asking why the "continuation of the species" is important.

Or, to put it another way, why is it important that we exist?

Totally meaningless question, on any real level.
You're basically getting into the realm of "The Meaning of Life", a question better posted on the Philosophy board.

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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: Procreation Anyone? Reply #44 - Jun 30^th, 2014 at 5:11pm There's plenty of "social reasons" for why people breed . People in the poorer countries breed for support running farms etc. It's not all instinctive behaviour . The richer we get the less support we need surviving and the more we question why we need to. Never thought of that did you greggorry.
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