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Re: Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery'
Reply #30 - Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 6:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

I was reading CNN & saw it as one of their headlines
so I thought the Islam readers on Ozpolitic would be interested to read it.

You are forgiven for creating a non-existent conspiracy.

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So, ignorant as well? That explains a great deal.

Unless of course you were merely trolling? Roll Eyes

I don't see any problem with highlighting a problem in the islamic world - in the islam forum. Perhaps the PNG cases can be discussed in a relevant forum.

It's a problem sanctioned by the rulers of Saudi Arabia -

horrific murder of a woman for no reason.

Actually, you supplied the reason. Roll Eyes

Yes I did:

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books on sorcery, a number of talismans and glass bottles filled with liquids

surely a perfect reason to behead someone. Cheesy

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Re: Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery'
Reply #31 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:21am

Karnal wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 4:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:05pm:

So, where is your outrage over the killings of Women in PNG who have been accused of "witchcraft"?

Nope, just against Muslims... Roll Eyes

Where did he mention Muslims?

Not that there's anything wrong with them.

That’s the hommers, Bobbie. We may not like the Muselman, but we know Saudi Arabia is in a class of its own.

Hi Karnal,
I thought Islam was a religion of peace?

Not that there's anything wrong with Islam.

( I am being politically correct )

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Reply #32 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 8:10am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:26pm:

I don't have a problem either. What I object to is singling out one religion/society and ignoring the same thing occurring in other religions/societies.

Brian, its the islam forum. Why on earth would you object to islam getting singled out in the islam forum?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #33 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 9:21am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 8:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:26pm:

I don't have a problem either. What I object to is singling out one religion/society and ignoring the same thing occurring in other religions/societies.

Brian, its the islam forum. Why on earth would you object to islam getting singled out in the islam forum?

The examples Brian linked had Police investigating who called it murder, how does that compare to Saudi Arabia where an executioner is paid by the government to chop the heads off these witches?

Do you think it is fair to compare what is called murder to a state sanctioned death penalty for witchcraft?

The apologists somehow think a few nutjobs killing witches where it is against the law is somehow comparable to the law of the land in Saudi Arabia where the law of the land has government executioners chopping the heads off these witches.

Iran executes people for witchcraft as well.

This death penalty for witches in Saudi Arabia and Iran shows Islam is not compatible with human rights, take note of articles 18 and 19-
www.un.org/en/documents/udhr

Why are leftists so eager to defend a belief that is not compatible with human rights?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #34 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 9:24am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 8:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:26pm:

I don't have a problem either. What I object to is singling out one religion/society and ignoring the same thing occurring in other religions/societies.

Brian, its the islam forum. Why on earth would you object to islam getting singled out in the islam forum?

Reflex?

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"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

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Reply #35 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 9:29am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 9:21am:

Why are leftists so eager to defend a belief that is not compatible with human rights?

With Brian it is always a very good idea to check his comparisons and references. I have had a lot of good fun beating him over the head using his own references and dodgy comparisons.

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"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

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Reply #36 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:53am

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

I was reading CNN & saw it as one of their headlines
so I thought the Islam readers on Ozpolitic would be interested to read it.

You are forgiven for creating a non-existent conspiracy.

namaste

So, ignorant as well? That explains a great deal.

Unless of course you were merely trolling? Roll Eyes

I don't see any problem with highlighting a problem in the islamic world - in the islam forum. Perhaps the PNG cases can be discussed in a relevant forum.

I don't have a problem either. What I object to is singling out one religion/society and ignoring the same thing occurring in other religions/societies.

I guess its the frequency it happens in islam is the sad factor.

Sorcery executions are far less frequent in Islamic countries than in PNG.

The problem with these types of things is misogyny. Persecutions for witchcraft and sorcery overwhelmingly affect women - that's been the case throughout history. Address the misogyny and you address the problem. It is estimated that 90% of women in PNG suffer physical abuse. 90% - that's a massive number. Imagine what that does to a society.

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Re: Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery'
Reply #37 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:06pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Sorcery executions are far less frequent in Islamic countries than in PNG.

They call killing witches in PNG murder, killing witches is against the law in PNG, why are you comparing murder which is against the law to state executions which are the law of the land?
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The pair charged with the murder of Kepari Leniata,20 are related to a 6 year old boy they accused her of using sorcery to kill,Police said in a statement.
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21501955

Islam has the death penalty for witches,the government executioners chop your head off for witchcraft in Saudi Arabia,nobody gets charged with murder for killing witches in Saudi Arabia
Lots of witches have had their heads chopped off in Saudi Arabia,do muslims face SA when they pray?
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=witch+executed+in+saudi+arabia

Unlike Saudi Arabia there are no witch executions in PNG,they call it murder in PNG.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery'
Reply #38 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

I was reading CNN & saw it as one of their headlines
so I thought the Islam readers on Ozpolitic would be interested to read it.

You are forgiven for creating a non-existent conspiracy.

namaste

So, ignorant as well? That explains a great deal.

Unless of course you were merely trolling? Roll Eyes

I don't see any problem with highlighting a problem in the islamic world - in the islam forum. Perhaps the PNG cases can be discussed in a relevant forum.

I don't have a problem either. What I object to is singling out one religion/society and ignoring the same thing occurring in other religions/societies.

I guess its the frequency it happens in islam is the sad factor.

Sorcery executions are far less frequent in Islamic countries than in PNG.

The problem with these types of things is misogyny. Persecutions for witchcraft and sorcery overwhelmingly affect women - that's been the case throughout history. Address the misogyny and you address the problem. It is estimated that 90% of women in PNG suffer physical abuse. 90% - that's a massive number. Imagine what that does to a society.

We blame Islam.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery' Reply #39 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:35pm Baron makes a legitimate point, but the truth is, if the situation as described in PNG was happening in some muslim country, we would get all the usual polemics about islam causing such an epidemic, and the muslim authorities turning a blind eye etc etc.
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Reply #40 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 5:37pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 9:21am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 8:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:26pm:

I don't have a problem either. What I object to is singling out one religion/society and ignoring the same thing occurring in other religions/societies.

Brian, its the islam forum. Why on earth would you object to islam getting singled out in the islam forum?

The examples Brian linked had Police investigating who called it murder, how does that compare to Saudi Arabia where an executioner is paid by the government to chop the heads off these witches?

Do you think it is fair to compare what is called murder to a state sanctioned death penalty for witchcraft?

The apologists somehow think a few nutjobs killing witches where it is against the law is somehow comparable to the law of the land in Saudi Arabia where the law of the land has government executioners chopping the heads off these witches.

Iran executes people for witchcraft as well.

This death penalty for witches in Saudi Arabia and Iran shows Islam is not compatible with human rights, take note of articles 18 and 19-
www.un.org/en/documents/udhr

Why are leftists so eager to defend a belief that is not compatible with human rights?

Good points -
it's state sanctioned in Saudi Arabia & many other Islamic countries but a crime elsewhere.

How can the world put up with this - killing witches in 2014?

Witch hunts are back.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40955 Gender:	Re: Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery' Reply #41 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 5:50pm When that Saudi woman was killed, it was in keeping with their cults laws. When a PNG woman is killed, it is illegal. islam wants to dominate the whole globe with these laws. PNG does not.
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Reply #42 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 7:35pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 5:50pm:

When that Saudi woman was killed, it was in keeping with their cults laws.

When a PNG woman is killed, it is illegal.

islam wants to dominate the whole globe with these laws.
PNG does not.

That’s right, Sprint. Just think - if we don’t stop the dastardly towel-heads over in Saudi Arabia, they’ll end up down here.

Our current grown-up government must be quite angry with those Saudis, no? You know, being on the Security Council and being all chummy with Uncle and everything. Shurely they’d never support military training or arms sales or war games with such a regime, eh?

Oh, they do? That’s a relief. Maybe if we continue to support the beheaders in Saudi Arabia everything will be okay.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

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Reply #43 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 7:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

Baron makes a legitimate point, but the truth is, if the situation as described in PNG was happening in some muslim country, we would get all the usual polemics about islam causing such an epidemic, and the muslim authorities turning a blind eye etc etc.

Muslims are now no better than the Catholics were:

THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION -- ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1676.cfm

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We revealed that one of the psychological devices priests used to get their female penitents to have sex with them was the threat to lie to the "Holy" Inquisition, so the woman would be torturously murdered. Since history books have been largely rewritten, few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years, killing 75 million people. But, once you understand the unprecedented horrors of the Inquisition, you will never look at Roman Catholicism the same way again.

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Reply #44 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 7:39pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 7:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

Baron makes a legitimate point, but the truth is, if the situation as described in PNG was happening in some muslim country, we would get all the usual polemics about islam causing such an epidemic, and the muslim authorities turning a blind eye etc etc.

Muslims are now no better than the Catholics were:

THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION -- ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL

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We revealed that one of the psychological devices priests used to get their female penitents to have sex with them was the threat to lie to the "Holy" Inquisition, so the woman would be torturously murdered. Since history books have been largely rewritten, few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years, killing 75 million people. But, once you understand the unprecedented horrors of the Inquisition, you will never look at Roman Catholicism the same way again.

It's a shame they flew the Christian banner but weren't Christians clearly according to Christian doctrine.

I agree ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL the same place Islam sources its.

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