It's interesting, no comment on the ongoing ADF abuse scandal.  Appears it's a subject too hard for some?

I believe Datalife was at ADFA during the 1990s when it was all coming out.  Rape, intimidation, bastardisation and other goings on.  Cadets suffering nervous breakdowns, being forced out, seeing their tormentors progress up the ranks without any consequences.  All revealed in the recent 4 Corners program. 

And yet not a peep here.  Much more fun for the militarists to talk about how big a danger China is or whether the latest military toys are best or worse.  All rotting from the inside though. 

Participation?

Where's DL?  I'm surprised he, as an ADFA veteran has not commented yet.  Seems he is far more interested in attacking:

a) Muslims
b) Me
c) People who post at D&R.

Strange, here is someone who claims first hand experience of the culture and atmosphere of ADFA during the 1990s and he's silent on the topic.  I wonder why? 

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The evidence appears to suggest the reverse.  Violent, aggressive, rapists seem to have found a ready home in the defence forces.

meh.

Don't need to excuse or apologise anything - What happens in the ADF stays in the ADF.  Nothing to do with you or I.

Geez it'd be nice if front bottoms wouldn't pretend they care about the people involved so much as they care about throwing some poo on the ADF.

|dev|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:



Just another Wednesday night in the ADF.

No surprises.

... wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:


No, what happens in the ADF is of deep concern to the Australian community.  The ADF is not separate from Australian society it is a part of Australian society and the relationship is a very deep one indeed.  Not only are members of the ADF drawn from Australian society, Australian society has invested massive amounts of prestige, time and money in venerating the ADF.  Our national prestige is deeply tied to the image of the Australian soldier/sailor/airman.   Our national image is founded upon the ANZAC legend.  The ADF is not separate from Australian society, it is deeply embedded in it.  You simply cannot wash your hands of it.

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Australian society expects the ADF to maintain the standards that civilians are set to obey plus be even better as upholders of the nation's prestige.  The ADF appears, from the latest reports to have been running riot, abusing, raping, intimidating, destroying the young lives which were entrusted to it.   Any organisation that eats its own, is doomed to failure.   

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:


Simply because you don't like the statement does not mean the statement is not valid or part of "the discussion".   If sh!t sticks, you have a problem.  The outcome from the various inquiries is starting to come home to roost.  You can't ignore those outcomes.

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Those scumbags were entrusted with the youths they were supposedly training to be defenders of the nation.  They were representatives of the ADF.  Their superiors either did nothing or actively conspired to cover up this criminal behaviour or at absolute worse were active participants.  Now that the wider society is aware of this criminal behaviour it is demanding that something be done about it.  Obviously, wider society does not tolerate such behaviour.  Why did the ADF?  Obviously it has lost sight of its responsibility to not only it's own personnel but wider society.   

Datalife wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 11:05am:



Yes, I can see why that wouldn't be suited to your tastes.

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 10:48am:



Not surw which community I belong to then, because I am not concerned, deeply or otherwise.

I strongly doubt you are either, but it does give you a nice opportunity to hop on the soapbox.

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 11:30am:


Indeed I am, just to let you know your concern trolling has been noted for what it is.

Avoiding the question still DL?

So, what did you do at ADFA during your tenure there about the culture of abuse there? 

Here's your chance to explain, to tell us of your first hand experience.

Datalife wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 11:49am:


Explains a lot about what was going on then.  Were you a contributor then?

For someone complaining about someone else keeping their head down, you seem to be adopting the exact same tactic...

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:



You seems to demand a high level of factual evidence from others and base entire semantic arguments to prove some cretinous point of view; but you are pretty free and easy with the truth here.


I won't be holding my breath for a lying little turd like yourself to 'man up'  with some evidence ya loser.   

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:



Perhaps I've made a mistake.  Sorry.

Maybe what I should have said was "the ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men, and the occasional woman".

Apology accepted?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:




So the semantic dkhead is going full retard striaght up, good one chimp.


Also reffering to someone as a lying little turd isn't an apology, ya loser   

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:



That steam coming out of your ears is clouding your vision, old boy.

There is a question mark at the end of 'Apology accepted', and I clearly said 'Sorry' in the first line of my post.

So, apology accepted?  I did set the record straight, after all:  "the ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men, and the occasional woman".

All good, hey?

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:


As has been shown, your article isn't very accurate but hey, what else could we expect from a Far North Queensland rag?

Even if your claim was true, it ignores the fact that the wider community has declared rape and intimidation and abuse taboo.  So therefore the ADF has to conform to those societal expectations.   It is not, as you yourself separate from or apart from, the wider society from which it draws it's personnel.  Therefore, I am unsure why you're attempting to excuse the behavior of these rapists and abusers!   

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:



It seems you are either wrong again, highly likely or you are functionally retarded, either way it is difficult to remain angry at a sh1t throwing chimp.


So all good

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:


The proof is in the Inquiries.  The ADF treated the victims as if they were the criminals.  It hounded them out of it's ranks because they were whistle-blowers.  It protected and/or failed to prosecute the perpetrators many of whom still serve as high ranking officers.   Those are the facts.

Society has clearly stated by setting up these inquiries that such behaviour is unacceptable but it seems to be still going on in places like ADFA.   The ADF has sat on it's hands for over 20 years when many complaints there first came to light and failed to prosecute the perpetrators and in many cases supported and rewarded them by creating a culture of abuse and intimidation against the victims.

Until you address that and stop being an apologist for this appallingly bad behaviour you will be part of the problem rather than being a part of the solution.   

Such behaviour is unacceptable in the wider community and is prosecuted.  Time the ADF conformed to that viewpoint and started to prosecute the perpetrators in it's ranks.  (Primarily but not exclusively) men who believe that women are their playthings and to be used for their pleasure. 

Are you one of those old fashioned misogynists who believe that women shouldn't be in the defence forces?

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:16pm:




Some individuals is not the ADF genius, keep trying. 


Maybe you and the chimp might want to join together for half a brain to power your stupid argument.


Show me where the ADF, not just some individuals, but the ADF itself sanction this behaviour, if you can't then I suggest you try a less stupid approach.

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:



No probs.

Disturbing stats, aren't they?

Not surprising but still disturbing.

ADFA is not a "killing school", Lionel.  It is an academy which (in theory) provides a civilian university degree education and creates Officers and Gentlemen/Women (by Act of Parliament) from those who enter it's hallowed gates.

The ADF does not and never has operated any "killing schools" for its ordinary servicemen/women or officers.

Women are generally just as capable, if not more so, than men to be efficient soldiers capable of close-quarters combat.  Afterall, isn't it generally held that "the female is the deadlier of the species"?   

History is littered with examples of ruthless women who have fought against men in wars and often won.  In Vietnam, the NLF (commonly and mistakenly referred to as the "Viet Cong") recruited and utilised women in their ranks to fight against Australian and Allied forces and were considered very effective.  In Iraq and Afghanistan, Australian and Allied forces have had women fighting and they have proved as effective as men in those roles where they have been allowed to fulfil.  The Age of sexism is over and should be buried, Lionel and I'm disappointed to see you resorting to such beliefs.   

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:


So you believe that the incidence of rape in Australia has jumped sixfold recently?  Really?

Or do you believe that the wider Australian society condones rapes and sexual assaults and so therefore ADF personnel are excused their raping and assaulting of their fellow personnel?

I am somewhat confused by your lack of clarity!  I suspect you are merely trolling for it's own sake!   

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Well, actually there has been no reports of a massive increase in the rate of rape and sexual assault in our society.  Perhaps you'd care to point to some more scientific research than an assertion in a regional Queensland newspaper to back up your claim?   Otherwise I'll just put it down to the banana bending that goes on up there.  It sends you blind you know!!!!   

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I never claimed it had OFFICIALLY.  However, unofficially it is obvious that it condones the actions of its personnel because of the lack of action on the numerous complaints that have been laid over the decades.  It stands by and let it happen and does little or nothing beyond lip-service to apprehend and punish the perpetrators.

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Show us the prosecution statistics on this issue!  What, you can't 'cause they don't exist, despite the apparent prevalence of this abuse?  How interesting!!!!   

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Who's defending anybody, apart from you who is acting as an apologist for these scumbag abusers and rapists!!!   

Taipan wrote on Jun 24^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:


What of them?  They've been rejected by wider society, you can evidence to the reverse?

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Care to quote where I've expressed such a hatred or you just throwing as much mud as possible in the hope someone of it stick.  I actually don't hate anybody.  I pity the obviously stupid like you.   

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:37am:


How is it stupid?  Just because you disagree with it?   

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:15am:


And my "kind" are?  Highly intelligent, questioning young men or something else?  Lets not mince words, you're such a straight shooter normally.  Why not tell a youth of today where he's going wrong from your perspective as a mature, experienced man like yourself?   Lets see a bit of agism, please!  We don't want you to disappoint your fans!   

|dev|null wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 10:22am:



Didn't know or care that you were a 'youth of today'. but consider you nothing more  than an ignorant petulant fool with little ability to comprehend beyond a headline.


Straight enough for you? 

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 5:14am:


Are you suggesting that Rupert's media is lying?  I am shocked!  Shocked!   

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Not really.  It missed.   

Anything to suggest he did it to be "more manly"?