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Reply #120 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 6:06pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 5:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:49pm:
and despite your waffle and a couple years of denial, the worlds climate scientists - including the MET have acknowledged that the pause is real.  How generous of them!

so suck on it Buzz. it is real.


Didnt you read the quote from the MET office, that said the pause was fabricated ?


Deniers are dumb asses.


try and keep up.  a year later they finally admitted there WAS a pause.

and of course you only need to look at the graph to see it as absolutely impossible to deny. 

so if it is still warming what has been the increase over theose past 17 years???  hmmm NONE
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Reply #121 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:12pm
 
sherri wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:34am:
This is just a random thought, but I was wondering what happens if we take it back eg to 17 years and 10 months, does that change the picture at all?

The exact numbers in the title have me intrigued, see. Smiley


before all of the Global warming Hysteria the so called, "scientists", were predicting that we were going into a cooling phase..

then one scientist came up with the hocky stick Theory...  Cheesy

well... the Loopy's jumped all over it and the rest is a sad history  that people will look back on in anger at how our governments ripped us off...  Angry
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Reply #122 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:13pm
 
where is True Blue by the way.. ?
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Reply #123 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:36pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:
where is True Blue by the way.. ?




Not SURE ... maybe there's an Australia First Party rally on, somewhere ?





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Reply #124 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:38pm
 
sherri wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:34am:
This is just a random thought, but I was wondering what happens if we take it back eg to 17 years and 10 months, does that change the picture at all?

The exact numbers in the title have me intrigued, see. Smiley


A STORY OF INTRIGUE, DECEPTION AND SECRECY

On November 17, 2009 some 3,000 e-mails, software files, and other documents from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit were covertly released onto the Internet.

In his November 28, 2009 telegraph.co.uk article "Climate Change: This is the Worst Scientific Scandal of Our Generation," Christopher Booker summarized the far-reaching ramifications of what was
exposed in these documents:

The reason why even the Guardian's George Monbiot has expressed total shock and dismay at the picture revealed by the documents is that their authors are not just any old bunch of academics. Their importance cannot be overestimated, What we are looking at here is the small group of scientists who have for years been more influential in driving the worldwide alarm over global warming than any others, not least through the role they play at the heart of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC).

Professor Philip Jones, the CRU's director, is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports. Through its link to the Hadley Centre, part of the UK Met Office, which selects most of the IPCC's key scientific contributors, his global temperature record is the most important of the four sets of temperature data on which the IPCC and governments rely - not least for their predictions that the world will warm to catastrophic levels unless trillions of dollars are spent to avert it.

Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head by showing that, after 1,000 years of decline, global temperatures have recently shot up to their highest level in recorded history.

Given star billing by the IPCC, not least for the way it appeared to eliminate the long-accepted Mediaeval Warm Period when temperatures were higher they are today, the graph became the central icon of the entire man-made global warming movement.
Since 2003, however, when the statistical methods used to create the "hockey stick" were first exposed as fundamentally flawed by an expert Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre, an increasingly heated battle has been raging between Mann's supporters, calling themselves "the Hockey Team", and McIntyre and his own allies, as they have ever more devastatingly called into question the
entire statistical basis on which the IPCC and CRU construct their case.

The senders and recipients of the leaked CRU emails constitute a cast list of the IPCC's scientific elite, including not just the "Hockey Team", such as Dr Mann himself, Dr Jones and his CRU colleague Keith Briffa, but Ben Santer, esponsible for a highly controversial rewriting of key passages in the IPCC's 1995 report; Kevin Trenberth, who similarly controversially pushed the IPCC into
scaremongering over hurricane activity; and Gavin Schmidt, right-hand man to Al Gore's ally Dr James Hansen, whose own GISS record of surface temperature data is second in importance only to that of the CRU itself. [16]

Writing in The Atlantic, Clive Crook is more candid: "In my previous post on Climategate I blithely said that nothing in the climate science email dump surprised me much. Having waded more deeply over the weekend I take that back. The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual
corruption is overpowering." [159]

As Charlie Martin explained in "Global WarmingGate: What Does It Mean," the e-mails suggested:

1) [T]he authors co-operated covertly to ensure that only papers favorable to CO2-forced AGW Anthropogenic Global Warming or man-made global warming] were published, and that editors and journals publishing contrary papers were punished. They also attempted to 'discipline' scientists and journalists who published skeptical information.

2) [T]he authors manipulated and 'massaged' the data to strengthen the case in favor of unprecedented CO2-forced AGW, and to suppress their own data if it called AGW into question.

3) [T]he authors co-operated (perhaps the word is 'conspired') to prevent data from being made available to other researchers through either data archiving requests or through the Freedom of Information Acts of both the U.S. and the UK. [17]
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Reply #125 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:57pm
 
THE CLIMATEGATE TIMELINE AND THE TICKING TIME BOMB

To better appreciate these themes, this Timeline chart consolidates and chronologically organizes information uncovered and published about the CRU e-mails by many researchers (see references) to visually show who said or did what and when and, from imultaneous events, to understand the context in which events occurred. There is far more information than can be assembled in one place, and more continues to be uncovered, but some of the key material found to-date has been included.

Though many event boxes are important, perhaps two are most critical: one from 1981, and another from October 12, 2009 (both with bomb icons). The first sets out the shaky foundation underpinning the AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming or man-made global warming) enterprise, and the second an admission of its failure. Together, they help explain why everything that occurred in between (as revealed by the CRU documents and independent researchers like Steven McIntyre) was inevitable to plug the holes in the leaky boat and keep up appearances.

Consequently, as Terence Corcoran sets out in "A 2,000-page epic of science and skepticism," disagreement and skepticism ran strife throughout the 13 years of e-mails [124].
The story that emerges is not of a smoking gun, but of a 30-year time bomb whose fuse was lit in 1981, when -- despite only a handful of scientists supporting it -- the AGW theory was championed, without question, by the Popular Press.

Given this foundation, it was only a matter of time before the growing divergence between real-world data and the AGW climate models, which had been considered beyond reproach, became self-evident and problematic. Offending data was massaged to fit
the models to stave off questions and the losses that would ensue to the billion dollar climate industry: "$32 billion for climate research, and another $36 billion for development of climate-related technologies" by the US government alone. [131]
The data manipulation became so extreme that a CRU programmer tasked in 2006 with reproducing CRU's own published results using its own models and data was unable to do so after three years. Releasing the data and computer codes behind the models for others to review and verify was out of the question. Though FOI requests are redundant for peer-reviewed research, the CRU's refusal to release data and methods used for papers published in respected peer-reviewed journals, despite journal rules prohibiting such refusals, inevitably led to legal FOI requests, if for no other reason than that some scientists were insisting that the world commit trillions of dollars to economic policies based on what they claimed their research showed.

Lest there be any doubt that these scientists did anything wrong, Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, explains what the CRU documents reveal: "They are unambiguously dealing with things that are unethical and in many cases illegal..." "[S]cientists manipulating raw temperature data...." "The willingness to destroy data rather than
release it. The avoidance of Freedom of Information requests...." [66] Thus, while UEA and Pennsylvania State University said they were investigating the matter [69], the UK Met Office (which works closely with the CRU and relies heavily on its product) announced a 3-year project to re-examine 160 years of temperature data, signalling its own lack of confidence in its CRU-based record.


What about the supposedly independent temperature records of NASA's GISS and NOAA's NCDC? CRU, GISS and NCDC get most of their raw data from NOAA's GHCN. [50] [1255298593.txt] Serious irregularities and questionable adjustments are
starting to surface with the source GHCN data itself. [50] [60] [62] [67] [72] [77] [114] [132] [168] [171] "The number of actual weather observation points used as a starting point for world average temperatures has been reduced from about 6,000 in the 1970s to about 1,500 in the most recent years [in the NCDC data].... [A]nd in the final NASA/GIStemp data file, it drops to about 1,000," most below 60
degrees latitude, where temperatures are naturally warmer. [168:1] And so, like the Three Musketeers, the CRU, GISS and NOAA temperature records stand or fall together.

Data fudging and secrecy aside, by 1998, Earth had stopped warming and begun cooling, despite record levels of CO2 (large blue event box with a bomb icon). This divergence between AGW theory and reality grew so enormous that by October 12, 2009, Kevin Trenberth, in a fit of frustration, e-mailed his colleagues: "Where the heck is global warming?" "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't." The reason he gave for their inability to account for cooling
was that "[T]he data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate." In other words, the findings indicating cooling were wrong, but the climate models, predicting warming, were correct. This, arguably, is the key revelation of ClimateGate. It makes self-evident that blind faith and bankrupt logic are now masquerading as rational science. No matter how much techno-babble is used to make today's climate models sound impressive, they have all proved wrong. The hockey team scientists admit they have no clue why this is
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Reply #126 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:57pm
 
The hockey team scientists admit they have no clue why this is so, though other scientists do see "Climate Corrections" [92]).

These problems would have been publicized years ago if the AGW theorists didn't have powerful allies: policy makers in virtually every professional scientific body, editors of virtually every major scientific journal, and reporters and editors at virtually all mainstream media outlets.

Few provided unbiased, impartial forums where alternate views and evidence were aired and debated.
Instead, most took official positions, invariably with an air of authority, and spared no effort to ensure that voices against the artificial consensus were quashed by editorial fiat and a persistent campaign of vilification, intimidation, and ridicule.

Twenty-first Century science has borrowed a page from the medieval Church in using fear and persecution to silence skeptics.
The oppressed have become the oppressors. Given that most professional scientific bodies and peer-reviewed journals have been active accomplices in this scandal, one wonders how many other "scientific consensuses" have been similarly engineered
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Reply #127 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 2:29pm
 
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( ... Joanne Nova, these days)



...


What CAN'T a former children's TV host

former photographer

former model

&

blogger ( ... not to mention, self proclaimed "climate scientist") ...

tell us ?






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Reply #128 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 2:38pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 6:06pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 5:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:49pm:
and despite your waffle and a couple years of denial, the worlds climate scientists - including the MET have acknowledged that the pause is real.  How generous of them!

so suck on it Buzz. it is real.


Didnt you read the quote from the MET office, that said the pause was fabricated ?


Deniers are dumb asses.


try and keep up.  a year later they finally admitted there WAS a pause.

and of course you only need to look at the graph to see it as absolutely impossible to deny. 

so if it is still warming what has been the increase over theose past 17 years???  hmmm NONE

STATISTICS WERE INVENTED EXACTLY BECAUSE GRAPHOLOGY IS MISINTERPRETED!
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Reply #129 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:36am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:12pm:
before all of the Global warming Hysteria the so called, "scientists", were predicting that we were going into a cooling phase..


This was never a mainstream scientific position.
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Re: NO global warming for 17 years 9 months
Reply #130 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 11:36am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:49pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:12pm:
True Blue... wrote on Jun 11th, 2014 at 9:29pm:
The pause continues – Still no global warming for 17 years 9 months


June 4, 2014

Christopher "Lord" Monckton of Brenchley



According to the RSS satellite data, whose value for May 2014 has just been published, the global warming trend in the 17 years 9 months since September 1996 is zero.

The 213 months without global warming represent more than half the 425-month satellite data record since January 1979. No one now in high school has lived through global warming.

The hiatus period of 17 years 9 months is the farthest back one can go in the RSS satellite temperature record and still show a zero trend.

But the length of the pause in global warming, significant though it now is, is of less importance than the ever-growing discrepancy between the temperature trends predicted by models and the less exciting real-world temperature change that has been observed.


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/04/the-pause-continues-still-no-global-warmin...







World breaks temperature record for June after hottest May


Last month's average global temperature was 16.2C, 0.7C higher than 20th-century average, says National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration


Tuesday 22 July 2014




The globe is on a hot streak, setting a heat record in June after it also broke the record for May.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced on Monday that last month's average global temperature was 16.2C (61.2F), which is 0.7C higher than the 20th-century average. It beat 2010's record by one-twentieth of a degree.

The NOAA's climate monitoring chief, Derek Arndt, said the record was driven by unusually hot oceans, especially the Pacific and Indian oceans.

Heat records were broken on every continent apart from Antarctica, especially in New Zealand, northern South America, Greenland, central Africa and southern Asia.

Global temperature records go back to 1880 and June was the 352nd hotter-than-average month in a row.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/21/world-breaks-temperature-reco...








... despite your waffle and a couple years of denial, the worlds climate scientists - including the MET have acknowledged that the pause is real. 





1. The decade 1990-1999 came in as the warmest, based on average global atmospheric readings, since records began* 

2. This record was ONLY exceeded and broken - by the decade 2000-2009

Now, despite what the FAKE "House of Lords member" and FAKE "Nobel Laureate"
- the children's TV host - and the Daily Mail blogger may try to tell you, these records are
DOCUMENTED, UNEQUIVICAL FACT


 

... and would not exist were this "17 year pause" in atmospheric temperature increase based on a TRUE interpretation of REAL DATA


What the Flat Earth Society are calling a "pause"

- is actually a slowing in the rate of increase
- but an INCREASE, all the same

- with an unacknowledged segment of this increase being taken up by the oceans






* ... and don't start "banging on" about how long we've kept records
That is NOT the issue, here




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Reply #131 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 4:33pm
 
Kytro wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:36am:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:12pm:
before all of the Global warming Hysteria the so called, "scientists", were predicting that we were going into a cooling phase..


This was never a mainstream scientific position.


Then why was it taught in public schools in NSW (by teachers), during the 1970s???
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Reply #132 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:11pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 4:33pm:
Kytro wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:36am:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:12pm:
before all of the Global warming Hysteria the so called, "scientists", were predicting that we were going into a cooling phase..


This was never a mainstream scientific position.


Then why was it taught in public schools in NSW (by teachers), during the 1970s???

It wasn't.
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Reply #133 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:22pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:11pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 4:33pm:
Kytro wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:36am:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:12pm:
before all of the Global warming Hysteria the so called, "scientists", were predicting that we were going into a cooling phase..


This was never a mainstream scientific position.


Then why was it taught in public schools in NSW (by teachers), during the 1970s???

It wasn't.


I remember being told by at least two different teachers (I can't remember in what years I was in) that the Earth's core is cooling down.

I also remember a few TV programs that claimed we about to go into a new ice age. I think they were produced by the good folks who gave us other highly educational gems about Nostradamus, Area 51 and research of ESP.
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Reply #134 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:40pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 4:33pm:
Kytro wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:36am:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:12pm:
before all of the Global warming Hysteria the so called, "scientists", were predicting that we were going into a cooling phase..


This was never a mainstream scientific position.


Then why was it taught in public schools in NSW (by teachers), during the 1970s???


Are you talking about global cooling or about Ice ages cycles?
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