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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #45 - May 13th, 2014 at 1:49pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:58pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:32pm:
Who knows if he's a pedo or not and does it matter what tag you pin on him? At the end of the day, we know that he was a dirty old man who got a kick out of deflowering innocent children.


That's the first I've heard he ever threw a leg over a child.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:32pm:
Even if he doesn't get a custodial sentence because of his advanced age,
justice has been served already, he's been before the courts and the alleged victims have been able to tell their stories where they are believed. These women would never have been believed if Jimmy Saville had not been sprung.


The story that runs parallel to the Jimmy Savile saga is how it was that so many adults who knew about him but said nothing, and allowed him to continue for over 30 years.

When are they going to conduct the court case against these people? The conspirators who aided and abetted him through their silence.

I'm still highly irritated by Rolf Harris's wife emerging from the court each day with a big smile on her face. Is she suffering from Alzheimer's or what?

Something I find quite extraordinary is how aging Nazi war criminals were not pursued with anything like the vigor now being shown by these legal people.






sadly herb.. thats the case with anything that involves a child..

when I read the stories about child abuse and how some even die.. the first thing I ask is where were their extended family.. very few of us grow up without any family at all only parents...

I just know I would know if something was wrong with one of my grandchildren and I would hope even a neighbour would notice as well..

babies are dying and they have broken bones...tell me someone doesnt know about it..

tell me no one heard the crying...

I just do not believe it..I do not believe no one sees or hears nothing....they can make all the excuses under the sun... to me its just as big a crime to turn a blind eye..
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Reply #46 - May 13th, 2014 at 1:59pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 11:25am:
Sounds guilty to me.


Could our queen be such a poor judge of character? Wasn't he a great man in her estimation?

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Should you be allowed to cast such aspersions on Australia's monarchial system?
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Reply #47 - May 13th, 2014 at 2:06pm
 
I see the protection of the innocent being elevated in circumstances related specifically to children (or, more accurately, to any group of people with particular vulnerability, such as the disabled and the elderly as well).

I do believe that we have gone a bit too far in protecting the rights of the excused to the degree that this can be at the expense of victims generally, but that's a separate issue.

False accusations do occur and I'm very conscious of that (I've done work on death penalty cases). However, equal to the paranoia that sometimes pervades us about paedophiles, I also think there is paranoia about false accusations.

Although it is hard to get statistics on the prevalence of false accusations of child sex abuse due to under-reporting of it full stop, unreliability of children's evidence and inconsistent questioning related to false accusations, it seems to be somewhere in the vicinity of 10-15%. That sounds bad at first, but when that is further broken down it turns out that in approximately 80% of those cases the false accusations occur in child custody matters (either a parent basically feeds a child the idea to get them to make a false accusation against the other parent or a parent is so paranoid about sexual abuse that they unintentionally push the child into making something up). Statistics aren't accurate per se, but they are a good starting point and in the case of these there is a lot that makes sense.

To go with that there are estimated to be substantially more unreported cases of child abuse than there are false accusations.

What is the damage done by a false accusation to an adult compared to the damage done to a child if abuse has occurred but nothing is done? I think we tend to worry a bit too much about the former still, and not quite enough about the latter.
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Reply #48 - May 13th, 2014 at 3:01pm
 
Dame Pansi wrote Today at 12:32pm:
Who knows if he's a pedo or not and does it matter what tag you pin on him? At the end of the day, we know that he was a dirty old man who got a kick out of deflowering innocent children.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:58pm:
That's the first I've heard he ever threw a leg over a child.



Speaking haltingly, the woman talked about how she was first abused when she was a 13-year-old travelling with the Harris family to Hawaii and Australia.

She said the first time she was abused moments after she stepped out of the shower in that holiday hotel and the “creepy” Harris put his hand through a split in the towel she was wrapped in and penetrated her with two fingers. At that time his wife Alwen Hughes and daughter Bindi, a friend of the victim, were downstairs.

http://www.news.com.au/world/friend-of-rolf-harris-daughter-details-years-of-all...
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Reply #49 - May 13th, 2014 at 3:07pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:58pm:
That's the first I've heard he ever threw a leg over a child.






If he was doing Jake the Peg, I think you mean he threw all three, as a matter of fact.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #50 - May 13th, 2014 at 3:24pm
 
Schu wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 1:20pm:
Love Geoffrey Robertson.


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Reply #51 - May 13th, 2014 at 3:26pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 3:07pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:58pm:
That's the first I've heard he ever threw a leg over a child.


If he was doing Jake the Peg, I think you mean he threw all three, as a matter of fact.


Grin Grin Grin

You shouldn't make light of such a serious subject.

I believe you owe us an apology.

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Reply #52 - May 13th, 2014 at 3:34pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 3:26pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 3:07pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:58pm:
That's the first I've heard he ever threw a leg over a child.


If he was doing Jake the Peg, I think you mean he threw all three, as a matter of fact.


Grin Grin Grin

You shouldn't make light of such a serious subject.

I believe you owe us an apology.




Sure can...
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #53 - May 13th, 2014 at 3:53pm
 
Seems to be an epidemic afoot with Pom TV blokes!

Click here.

Wot's going on over there, Walter?
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Reply #54 - May 13th, 2014 at 4:58pm
 
True Colours wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 1:59pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 11:25am:
Sounds guilty to me.


Could our queen be such a poor judge of character? Wasn't he a great man in her estimation?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/05/article-2154748-03AFC81B0000044D-24_63...


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/25/article-1260642-08D92A24000005DC-714_3...


Should you be allowed to cast such aspersions on Australia's monarchial system?




me thinks you are over stepping the line..

she has nothing to do with whom paints her or who gets honors..

nothing at all...

and when it comes the character... WHO ELSE CHALLENGED HIM?..

no one until now as far as I know.
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Reply #55 - May 14th, 2014 at 4:00pm
 
I greatly admire Rolf Harris's daughter who has very bravely been conducting herself with quiet dignity and poise.

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Larry Pickering is just wild about Harry ...

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Reply #56 - May 14th, 2014 at 9:52pm
 
Well - tie me kangaroo down, sport!  Today the defence introduced written comment in her diary of the trip to hawaii, in which she described it as a great day.. sort of like Hoe Jockey dancing the rhumba on politician's bludge-it day.

Sort of makes it a bit thin.... but I'll wait...
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Reply #57 - May 16th, 2014 at 2:28pm
 
Another paedophile who is being sentenced today is 'Hey!Dad' actor Robert Hughs.;

Earlier this month Hughes's sentencing hearing heard harrowing victim impact statements from girls still suffering from the abuse they endured.

One woman, now 37, said she would never have children because of Hughes, and had come to hate the word "dad".

Another told the court that she wished Hughes "nothing but misery".

"I hate anyone looking at me. I have no self worth," she said.

"I never thought I'd see this day. For 26 years I've tried to deal with the fact that this just happened. Maybe now I can try to piece my life together again, to not feel ashamed or dirty.

""I hope the punishment fits the crime and you will have to suffer for years to come just like I have ... I wish you nothing but misery."


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It's a little surprising to me (a mere male) that these women could be so consumed by these events after so many years, and be so deeply effected by what were trivial episodes compared to full-on acts of gross paedophilia.

I suspect the outrage is mostly due to Western cultural precepts that regard this sort of behaviour as taboo, whereas in other cultures it wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

I watched the whole series of 'Tribal Wives' in which Western women would spend a month with various African tribes. Sex at the earliest age was the norm.

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Reply #58 - May 16th, 2014 at 3:52pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 4:00pm:
I greatly admire Rolf Harris's daughter who has very bravely been conducting herself with quiet dignity and poise.

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Larry Pickering is just wild about Harry ...

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having just read your link it doesnt seem to me that rolfie baby was very discrete about his obsessions in which case I find it very very difficult to believe neither wife nor daughter had any idea....

the guy has a heap of money.. and I presume they also know how much..

and with this case goes lawyers fees..

plus compensation if he is found guilty he can have the pants sued off him.. so to speak..how much he is worth has never been discussed but whatever it is.. I am sure he will be relieved of some of it..
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Reply #59 - May 16th, 2014 at 3:55pm
 
Watching the daily feed of the Rolf Harris trial is like chewing nails, yet it is morbidly fascinating.

Seeing a golden icon, trundling up to court each day, aged wife on one hand, aging daughter on the other.

It reminds me of the classic line from the movie Apocalypse Now! "The horror!, the horror!"
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