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The rise and Fall of Julia Gillard
Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:00pm

What Julia Gillard really said in the Chanel 10 interview.....There is no mention of an ETS or a clear intention to price carbon!!!

However Julia Gillard did do an interview with the Australian!!!

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JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.

It will be part of a bold series of reforms that include school funding, education and health.

In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.

"I don't rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism," she said of the next parliament. "I rule out a carbon tax."

This is the strongest message Ms Gillard has sent about action on carbon pricing.

While any carbon price would not be triggered until after the 2013 election, Ms Gillard would have two potential legislative partners next term - the Coalition or the Greens. She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-pro...

IMO Julia Gillard did rule out a carbon tax before the 2010 election but decided to renege on her promise to form Government with the Greens who demanded a carbon tax in return for their support.....However Julia Gillard did say she would price carbon in the form of an ETS.....Julia Gillard made an error in judgement when she caved in to the Greens demands who had no concerns about any promises made before the election.....Now thanks to the Greens we will have Direct Action which will do SFA to reduce emissions.....The Greens have destroyed any chance of an ETS during two terms of Government!!!

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40955 Gender:	Re: The rise and Fall of Julia Gillard Reply #1 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:54pm uuummmm, you might be a bit late
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21057 Perth Gender:	Re: The rise and Fall of Julia Gillard Reply #2 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 12:00am Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:54pm: uuummmm, you might be a bit late It has only just turned 10.00pm in WA.....Time to go to bed Mr Sprint!!!
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The rise and Fall of Julia Gillard Reply #3 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 12:09am Does anyone care anymore Phil? Bit old now isnt it?
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The rise and Fall of Julia Gillard Reply #4 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 12:11am "My commitment to an Australian surplus in 2013 was a promise that we made and it will be honoured. Let me be absolutely clear on that" Julia Gillard, April 2011. Australian Budget result 2013 - $23,488,000,000 DEFICIT
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Re: The rise and Fall of Julia Gillard
Reply #5 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 12:15am

Please - do not remind us of this failed statement form Labor about women etc, and the accompanying setting up for life of one who has no real idea in the real world.

Same old - do your job - a la Sinodinos - for the Party and you will reap rewards beyond your belief, generally meaning you will be set for life out of the public purse - but that is not corruption.

Like a Man Named Vanstone - we were happy to see her go - MUST you raise her spectre again just when we are trying to stomach Vanstone back again telling us how to run ruin the country?

The very last thing we need now is another social science statement from labor or another round of neo-Thatcherism from some jumped-up clown who shagged every portfolio she touched - and all for a pretty penny out of your taxes.

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Reply #6 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:49am

Gillard's main problem was lacking sufficient numbers in Parliament and the political capital to implement the reforms she needed to advance her agenda.

If she had the numbers, she would not have implemented a fixed carbon price but implemented an ETS instead. She would have negotiated with the Greens in the Senate to get an ETS in place. The Greens were the problem here; they blocked an ETS in 2009 because they wanted a fixed price. It is the Greens' insistence on a fixed price that gave Abbott the leverage to smear Gillard and drag her down. It is therefore the fault of the Greens that Abbott is in office now.

If she had the political capital, she could have advanced some reforms to raise revenue or cut spending to balance the budget. For instance, abolishing negative gearing would not have been very popular, but it is a necessary reform that is needed at some point to stop the budget leaking revenue.

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Reply #7 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:57am

Gillard stated clearly in an attempt to negate the Coalition policy that... There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.
backed up by the world's "best" Treasurer... that it was ridiculous to say we will be implementing a carbon tax.
She stated that any price on carbon would only be implemented if she had a national concensus.

It's there in black and white and recorded on video.

End of story.

She had no electoral majority support to put a price on carbon, she told the electorate she wouldn't do it. As for the smear crap, the only one I saw being smeared was tony abbott and it continues here on a daily basis. Put up or....

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: The rise and Fall of Julia Gillard Reply #8 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:06am Phil, you still trying to blame everyone else besides the party that stuffed up ~ labor. Labor couldn't sell a free pass to a brothel ... even to Craig Thompson.
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Reply #9 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:11am

Bam wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:49am:

Gillard's main problem was lacking sufficient numbers in Parliament and the political capital to implement the reforms she needed to advance her agenda.

If she had the numbers, she would not have implemented a fixed carbon price but implemented an ETS instead. She would have negotiated with the Greens in the Senate to get an ETS in place. The Greens were the problem here; they blocked an ETS in 2009 because they wanted a fixed price. It is the Greens' insistence on a fixed price that gave Abbott the leverage to smear Gillard and drag her down. It is therefore the fault of the Greens that Abbott is in office now.

If she had the political capital, she could have advanced some reforms to raise revenue or cut spending to balance the budget. For instance, abolishing negative gearing would not have been very popular, but it is a necessary reform that is needed at some point to stop the budget leaking revenue.

She was the one who ran the election campaign.
She didn't have the numbers because people didn't warm to her and people didn't appreciate her knifing the sitting Australian PM in the back.

She didn't have the numbers correct.
But it is nobody else's fault than her own.

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Reply #11 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:18am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Bam wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:49am:

Gillard's main problem was lacking sufficient numbers in Parliament and the political capital to implement the reforms she needed to advance her agenda.

If she had the numbers, she would not have implemented a fixed carbon price but implemented an ETS instead. She would have negotiated with the Greens in the Senate to get an ETS in place. The Greens were the problem here; they blocked an ETS in 2009 because they wanted a fixed price. It is the Greens' insistence on a fixed price that gave Abbott the leverage to smear Gillard and drag her down. It is therefore the fault of the Greens that Abbott is in office now.

If she had the political capital, she could have advanced some reforms to raise revenue or cut spending to balance the budget. For instance, abolishing negative gearing would not have been very popular, but it is a necessary reform that is needed at some point to stop the budget leaking revenue.

She was the one who ran the election campaign.
She didn't have the numbers because people didn't warm to her and people didn't appreciate her knifing the sitting Australian PM in the back.

She didn't have the numbers correct.
But it is nobody else's fault than her own.

what a load of croc ... she ran the election campaign to win ... any promises made were made on the basis of her being able to form a labor government .. with the results she was dealt with, she had to form a coalition government with the Greens and Independants

not sure if you understand that that means there are compromises that have to be made by all sides. I would have preferred she went directly to an ETS but I understand why she couldn't.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: The rise and Fall of Julia Gillard
Reply #12 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:19am

John Smith wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

____ wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:06am:

Phil, you still trying to blame everyone else besides the party that stuffed up ~ labor.

Labor couldn't sell a free pass to a brothel ... even to Craig Thompson.

http://skreened.com/render-product/w/q/e/wqerdaxudoummpqbaiam/head-up-ass-shirt....

All you can offer is a cut and paste of another's pic. You sir are a microcosm of your party's problem.

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Re: The rise and Fall of Julia Gillard
Reply #13 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:24am

John Smith wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:18am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Bam wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:49am:

Gillard's main problem was lacking sufficient numbers in Parliament and the political capital to implement the reforms she needed to advance her agenda.

If she had the numbers, she would not have implemented a fixed carbon price but implemented an ETS instead. She would have negotiated with the Greens in the Senate to get an ETS in place. The Greens were the problem here; they blocked an ETS in 2009 because they wanted a fixed price. It is the Greens' insistence on a fixed price that gave Abbott the leverage to smear Gillard and drag her down. It is therefore the fault of the Greens that Abbott is in office now.

If she had the political capital, she could have advanced some reforms to raise revenue or cut spending to balance the budget. For instance, abolishing negative gearing would not have been very popular, but it is a necessary reform that is needed at some point to stop the budget leaking revenue.

She was the one who ran the election campaign.
She didn't have the numbers because people didn't warm to her and people didn't appreciate her knifing the sitting Australian PM in the back.

She didn't have the numbers correct.
But it is nobody else's fault than her own.

what a load of croc ... she ran the election campaign to win ... any promises made were made on the basis of her being able to form a labor government .. with the results she was dealt with, she had to form a coalition government with the Greens and Independants

not sure if you understand that that means there are compromises that have to be made by all sides. I would have preferred she went directly to an ETS but I understand why she couldn't.

She promised NO CARBON TAX
She promised no price on carbon without national concensus.
She didn't have to agree to a carbon tax for Green support.
She betrayed the electorate and broke her promises.
After that the bats were out.

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Reply #14 - Mar 29^th, 2014 at 8:26am

As one who actually voted for Julia, I was extremely disappointed in her actions over the carbon tax. I rejoiced the day she removed that fluff-ball piece of uselessness - Kevin Rudd - and her inaugural speech promised a great deal. But it lasted just a short while. From the moment she was elected she showed that her character and integrity were not up to the task. Her promises were next to meaningless and her word not to be trusted.

The carbon tax she promised so clearly not to implement she reneged on with a ease and rapidity that I still find breath-taking. But I continued to support her although with some misgivings that the one I had so much hope for was not all she promised to be. While it was a difficult parliament trying to govern without a majority she did that bit reasonably well , but the rest was not so good.

Julia Gillard showed herself to be quite the liar. Not just pollie-style lying which I could forgive, but truly unapologetic base lying. But the end came in her misogyny speech. It was disgraceful, disgusting, disrespectful and utterly untrue. She even admitted, post-departure, that Abbott wasn't a sexist and she wasn't targeting him specifically. And so her speech was just another lie in a long series of lies.

So after voting for both Rudd and Gillard previously, I had no alternative but to move my vote to Tony Abbott who, despite his many failings, is still essentially honest and trustworthy which neither of his predecessors were. I am embarrassed at having voted for these two miserable PMs who brought division and new levels of deceit and incompetence to the position.

Julia Gillard could have been a clarion call to women everywhere to take charge and move up the ladder. Instead, she reminded us of just how bad women can be in positions of power thus negating any possible advantage and returning us to the stage where the job (and others like it) are considered too complex and too difficult 'for women'.

Thanks for nothing Gillard.

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