polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 23
rd, 2013 at 3:05am:
yes its very confusing.
Rape - as in forcing a woman into sex against her will - is specifically forbidden in the Dawoud hadith I quoted. This is a general proscription - backed up by the numerous references in the quran (as well as hadith) to treat women with equality and respect. Therefore, saying rape is permitted is obviously contradictory. Therefore to have any shred of credibility, such a claim would have to be supported by an "exception to the rule" - as it were - in islamic doctrine. No such exception exists, therefore the default position that ALL rape is strictly forbidden stands.
As always it's hard to tell if Gand is just a dupe or is the one willfully engaging in dissimulation. It's not about an "exception to the rule", but about Islam itself. The dar al Salaam VS the dar al Harb. The "us against them" of Muhammadanism.
Rape of Muslims by Muslims may be prohibited, depending on circumstances (however "Maldives president vetoes marital rape bill as 'un-Islamic'").
Rape of non-Muslims by Muslims cannot be prohibited because Muhammad and his boys engaged in it.
Bukhari Book #59, Hadith #459 Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "
We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq
and we received captives from among the Arab captives and
we desired women and celibacy became hard on us
and we loved to do coitus interruptus.They even pressed the vanquished into service, by pimping them out as prostitutes.
Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution
when
they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
So when they don't desire chastity, pimp them out and make a gain. Perhaps they want to share in that gain or maybe just get some distance from their filthy captor for a little while.
But then even if you compel them, Allah is forgiving!
Pretty convenient god for an army of imperialistic, conquering, female prisoner violating, cutthroat, thieves.