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Congratulations Denmark. No more halal. (Read 31778 times)
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Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal.
Reply #45 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:39pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
Stratos wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm:
Judaism IS the only one of the two that can demonstrate it is a religion, and thus kosher meats for religious purpose.


Find me one definition of the word "religion" that doesn't cover Islam.




Dictionary;
religion = =
1 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.        a particular system of faith and worship.
2 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.


More importantly, Islam is an
anti
-a-specific-
religion
violent cult.
THE false prophet Muhammad filled his followers with complete resolve to DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, to REJECT the shed blood that Jesus shed for us all, and DENY and blaspheme the Son of God.
Islam is a cult that is to the Gospel, as the negative is to a photograph.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/index.htm

Thus their "worship" is in DISbelief, REJECTION and DENIAL. Islam is the opposite of belief. Islam is specifically ANTICHRIST. Besides being about what NOT to believe, Islam is about imperialistic conquest, slaughter and subjugation of non-Muslims.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1391788854

That's why followers of the false prophet Muhammad are murdering Christians all around the world.
Regardless of what Muhammad's followers have been fooled into believing they believe, since Islam is an imperialistic, violent, ANTI-religion, Islam is in actuality no more of a religion than the Mafia. Perhaps the main difference being that the Mafia prefers not to murder people because it can cause them difficulties, whereas many of Muhammad's followers are eager to conquer and/or slaughter non-Muslims, simply for believing differently than themselves.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm

But I suppose that's just the way it should be, since the kingdoms of this world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall. That's why the children of the flesh lust after control of these kingdoms, and temporal things of this world as Yadda pointed out.

Islam is not just some other religion, like Hinduism.

Islam should be outlawed for hate inspired commands for violence against others.

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_and_jews.htm

It should be treated no differently by free nations, than any other imperialistic power out to conquer nations, and subjugate citizens. Islam should be treated as an enemy of freedom, liberty and the right to self determination that it has been for 1400 years:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm
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Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal.
Reply #46 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:41pm
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:34pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
1 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods


Describes Islam

Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
a particular system of faith and worship.


Also describes Islam

Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
2 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.


And islam again.

Three points against yourself before you even begin Yadda.

Also Yadda, I believe I have shown you multiple times the numerous Australian leaders who condemned the actions of the protest you are talking about.

I can find them again if you like, but you are of course too busy trying to misrepresent Islam to care about the truth remotely.

But i will say this, if the best you can repeatedly come up with is a group of Australian Muslims denounced by their own leadership from two years ago, then you must be getting desperate.




Stratos,

We will have to agree to disagree.

Your claim, is that i am misrepresenting ISLAM [and moslems], in this forum.

And i claim that it is moslems who are misrepresenting ISLAM, to uninformed and trusting Australians.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal.
Reply #47 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:45pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
Your claim, is that i am misrepresenting ISLAM [and moslems], in this forum.

And i claim that it is moslems who are misrepresenting ISLAM, to uninformed and trusting Australians.


You keep using the same argument, despite the fact you know that it the actions you were describing were denounced by the Australian Muslim community.  There really isn't two ways about it, you are misrepresenting what actually happened.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal.
Reply #48 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:59pm
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:45pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
Your claim, is that i am misrepresenting ISLAM [and moslems], in this forum.

And i claim that it is moslems who are misrepresenting ISLAM, to uninformed and trusting Australians.


You keep using the same argument, despite the fact you know that it the actions you were describing were denounced by the Australian Muslim community.

There really isn't two ways about it, you are misrepresenting what actually happened.




I know, NO SUCH THING.

All that i know, and all that everyone else knows, is that, 'after the fact', the Sydney moslem community claimed that they denounced the moslems - who were displaying those murderous placards.



But i'm sorry, because if a moslem told me that that bright thing in the sky was the sun, I WOULD SEEK A SECOND OPINION.



All moslems are 'holy' LIARS, imo.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal.
Reply #49 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm
 
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There is a specialised market that requires oversight from a particular group (and yes, this definitely does) and someone decided to make money out of it.  I see no difference to the fact you can effectively buy a heart smart logo.


No government demands a heart smart logo on all imported beef. Anyone could set up a halal certification organisation. The barriers to trade are erected by foreign governments only accepting certification by certain companies, then setting up regional monopolies for those companies. Even the Muslims were complaining about this.

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Sometimes.  What do you think I don't understand out of curiosity?


Free market capitalism. Or maybe you just don't know what a rort the whole halal sticker industry is.

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Do you have evidence of this?


Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website.

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I certainly do have trouble comprehending, FD. No one in Indonesia and Malaysia is forcing consumers to buy halal food.


The government is, by restricting imports. By probably have similar restrictions on internal producers.

Both of you, please check the article I linked to on the previous page. It makes it pretty obvious what is going on. Foreign governments are creating trade barriers in order to effectively establishing communist micro-economies within our borders. The money disappears into a black hole.
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Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal.
Reply #50 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:27pm:
Sure. They publish the money trail to terrorist organisations on their website.


Enlighten me.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #51 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 4:09pm
 
FD should be applauding this episode as a great example of how capitalism can work:

- MUI attempt to extract exorbitant fees from abattoirs to export to Indonesia
- Nearly all the abattoirs respond by boycotting MUI
- Queensland exporters are exploring other options - ie alternative markets that MUI won't benefit from
- MUI will either be out of business in Australia, or will be forced to offer more reasonable fees.

Textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work.
- MUI shoots themselves in the foot by losing virtually all the Queensland market
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #52 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 7:34pm
 
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Nearly all the abattoirs respond by boycotting MUI


You sure about that?

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Textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work.


Only if you have NFI how capitalism is supposed to work.
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Reply #53 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 8:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 7:34pm:
You sure about that?


According to your article - yes:

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The scandal has stopped most of Queensland's Halal meat exports to Indonesia, as angry abattoir operators boycott the more expensive Halal certifiers endorsed by the MUI.
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Reply #54 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:08pm
 
OK, so explain how this is a textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work?
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Reply #55 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:08pm:
OK, so explain how this is a textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work?


Simply that Party A enters into a trade agreement with Party B, who gets too greedy and thinks the agreement gives them carte blanche to extort as much as they want from Party A. Party A simply walks away from the agreement since it is not a mutually profitable agreement, and in a competitive market, seeks out a more reasonable trading partner. Party B loses out because until they back down and offer more reasonable terms, they end up out of business.

The point being that, in accordance to classical free market theory, the market will create its own equilibrium - that there is no room for exploiters, and only mutually beneficial trade agreements will work.
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Reply #56 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:01am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 11:40am:
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It's pathetic that there's just one country that has the decency to stop these barbaric practices.

Someone told me all IGA is Halal: I said I thought it all was hence the price of meat and he said no, the muslims won't buy from coles and woolies only IGA. I said not all IGAs are the same and eventually he decided IGA was mostly halal, with coles and woolies too mixed for muslims to be sure of getting halal... not that it sounded they could be at IGA but apparently they were fairly comfortable with it  Shocked Shocked

So, who knows...  Cheesy

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Re: Congratulations Denmark. No more halal.
Reply #57 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:01am:
coles and woolies too mixed for muslims to be sure of getting halal


lillydale chicken is halal which they sell at coles. There may be bits and pieces of steggles which woolies sells that is halal, but we just stick with lillydale. There are lots of pre-cooked packaged meat that both sell - eg those suncorp instant rice meals (both red and white meat).

I've never shopped at IGA for meat, there's more than enough at coles.
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Reply #58 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 8:12am
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 5:01am:
So, who knows...  Cheesy


I don't mind if witchdoctors from the various religions go around the abattoirs splashing 'Holy Water' onto everything they see, but it's quite a different matter when the general public is made the unwitting collaborator in the practice of not having the livestock stunned before the throats are cut.




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Reply #59 - Feb 22nd, 2014 at 9:06am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:06pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:08pm:
OK, so explain how this is a textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work?


Simply that Party A enters into a trade agreement with Party B, who gets too greedy and thinks the agreement gives them carte blanche to extort as much as they want from Party A. Party A simply walks away from the agreement since it is not a mutually profitable agreement, and in a competitive market, seeks out a more reasonable trading partner. Party B loses out because until they back down and offer more reasonable terms, they end up out of business.

The point being that, in accordance to classical free market theory, the market will create its own equilibrium - that there is no room for exploiters, and only mutually beneficial trade agreements will work.


Wrong. Party A was in a trade agreement with party C. Party B was just extorting money from it.

It is not a "textbook example of how capitalism is supposed to work" when businesses are forced out of a market (the one market they are in) by government intervention - particularly when that government intervention is to create regional monopolies who do not actually do anything other than extort as much money as they can from the people who actually make things. Only someone who is completely ignorant of concepts like capitalism would make such a stupid claim.

Capitalism is not merely an equilibrium between people trying to get the job done and the government (a foreign one) trying to get in their way.

Perhaps you meant it is a textbook example of how a shariah economy is supposed to work, and you are doing to typical Muslim thing of trying to pretend there is not conflict between that and western standards.
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