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Reply #15 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 11:01pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 16th, 2014 at 10:22pm:
The argument seems to be speed at a certain height.  Opaerating speed is higher at 35000 feet than it is at sea level or near.

"if a boat is traveling at 10 knots, it is going 11.5 mph, or 15% more in that unit"

Ergo - if a Boeing is traveling at 360 kots (some say max speed at sea level is 360 MPH) that's 414 mph.

Maybe the radar information was wrong or distorted....  I would have thought, with some experience as pilot - that a flaps down and slow approach would enable a greater chance of a hit and would achieve possibly more damage... certainly no less damage.

Mind you if Ayrab Joe was hitting the firewall and not thinking too good.. he might try for a full tilt hit.. dropping the flaps at high speed will give you one hell of a jolt on the wings and a serious ballooning effect......

Ya gotta take it slow and steady.. not as if you're wall-to-wall in AAA and SAMs..flak you could walk home on if they knock your wings off....

Amazing that it hit at all!

ADDS:- Oh.. HERE!

http://www.flywestwind.com/hangar/aircraft_files/foms/B763ERFOM.pdf




You have what is called true airspeed and IAS which is indicated air speed.

They use a pitot tube to measure airspeed (and altitude,rate of climb) so with the air being thinner at altitude your airspeed readings are slower despite the fact you are travelling faster.
True airspeed and indicated airspeed will be the same at sea level, at altitude the indicated speed will be lower than true speed, of course headwinds and tailwinds affect true air speed.

Velocity never exceed is the same regardless of alititude.

Planes are sluggish and unresponsive at slower speeds, they respond better with faster airflow over wings and rudder at higher speeds.

Flaps are only used to help low speed flying where the wing is not as efficient.

360 knots  =662 kph which is slower than 470 knot (865kph) cruise speed of a 767.

The Pentagon plane was in ground effect before it hit, the close proximity to the ground increases aero lift when in ground effect and many a pilot has overshot the runway on landing due to too fast and hovering in ground effect.

Aeroplanes are usually made with a factor of safety of 2,if a plane is rated for 4 g it will break if you push it to 8g.

If you look at the equation for kinetic energy velocity is squared so increasing speed gives a bigger impact.





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Reply #16 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 11:26pm
 
The grappler-

From your link the pilot operating handbook says Vne (velocity never exceed) is 568 knots which is a bit higher than the 360 knots given by the nutjobs.

They can climb about 4x faster in Feet per minute than what they do according the the POH, they hold back for passenger comfort.
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Reply #17 - Feb 16th, 2014 at 11:57pm
 
True Blue... wrote on Feb 16th, 2014 at 8:28pm:
see if you can find the missing plane that hit the pentagon...

the most compelling evidence that this was a set up IMO ...

I think the truth will come out one day as did other US false Flag operations.. but no one seem to care about those all these years later...

but I think that countries who are addicted to OIL will sit back and not say a word as they are sharing in the spoils of the invaded countries...


And look, no plane hit the WTC 7 building either  Undecided

http://www2.ae911truth.org/wtc7.php

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc7.html

http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/mazzucco-911-new-pearl-harbor/#more-1815


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Reply #18 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 12:11am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 6:23pm:
911 is like the magic pudding. Slice a bit off and its all still there.

The magic passport is the cherry on top. This purported terrorist's passport survived impact, survived combustion that even exotic metals did not survive and then floated gently down with not a mark on it into the hands of a mysterious stooge who never offered to appear on media.



Funny that, and to this day, I find it so incredible, but yeah, I believe that, I honestly do  Roll Eyes

And comparing costs ~

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Comparing_costs

Oh and take your time, yeah take your time, all the proof needed was in that miraculous passport that survived...


Days until an investigation was ordered into the Pearl Harbour attack: 9
Days until an investigation was ordered into the Kennedy assassination: 7
Days until an investigation was ordered into the Challenger disaster: 7
Number of days until an investigation was ordered into the sinking of the Titanic: 6
Number of days until an investigation was ordered into the 9/11 attacks: 411



Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49d_1190054204#45WBdRpfeFUd5wSH.99

Truly? 411 days?i

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Reply #19 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 1:23am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 16th, 2014 at 10:14pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 16th, 2014 at 9:51pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 16th, 2014 at 9:43pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 16th, 2014 at 2:01pm:
There are a lot of questions about the events in relation to aircraft performance exceeding specifications and manoeuvres only capable by exceptionally skilled pilots. The questions were all avoided by the 911 commission.

NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"

the whole issue becomes incomprehensible to fathom a standard 767 can perform such maneuvers at such intense speeds exceeding Maximum Operating limits of the aircraft. Especially for those who research the topic thoroughly and have expertise in aviation.




A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow

The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?

The above entry remained at the moderated AIAA Aerospace America Forum for approximately two weeks before being removed without explanation. Click "Who is Ethically Responsible" submitted by Dwain Deets at the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum for discussion on this entry at AIAA.


The cruise speed for a 767 is 470 knots.

Your nutjob garbage claims Vne for a 767 is 360 knots, so why do your so called experts say Velocity not to exceed (Vne) is lower than cruise speed?

www.debunking911.com



My dear child, you should have listened to your mother when she told you not to skip school.

The air is very thin at normal flying altitude. But it is much more dense at sea level like your cranium.


Vne is the same regardless of altitude, your article claims Vne is lower than cruise speed, is that why the post was removed from that forum when they realised how idiotic the claim was?

If you look at the flight data for the descent you might discover a 757/767 can climb faster than they came down on 9/11.

I have a pilots license, commercial pilots are restricted from being radical so people dont end up with a drinks trolley in their lap and sue the airline.
If you go to youtube and search for 747 doing a barrel roll that is a bigger plane showing they are capable of mild aerobatics, i like flying upside down i could never be a commercial pilot (bus driver).

Of course you nutjobs claim a missile zig zagged knocking down light poles before hitting the Pentagon despite the fact missiles cannot do that.



Von darling, if I may call you that, if you ever qualify for a passenger jet pilot's licence I hope I never fly on a plane you are piloting. Fortunately it won't happen because crazed people's minds don't have ticket desks.

Before you crash your imaginary flight think about air density and temperature at different altitudes. To wit 700 feet and 30,000 feet. Don't look down sonny. Air at 700 ft is thicker and hotter than at 30,000 feet. Darling, please consider.

What about temperature? Now imagine you are a jet engine. Hope you are dizzy now.
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Reply #20 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 6:39am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 16th, 2014 at 9:17pm:
True Blue... wrote on Feb 16th, 2014 at 8:29pm:
wow that's funny...

as soon as I put in my last post there was an advert banner on the bottom saying " THE GOV IS SPYING ON YOU" with a picture of Obama....  Grin


Better watch out in case a couple of spooks put a black bag over your head and render you to Egypt.

I have a dark suspicion that black ops is actually running USA government and presidents are just shopfront stooges.


presidents come and go but take a look in the  back ground at the ones that have been lurking there for years and years and years...
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Reply #21 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:53am
 
Arguing over the application of air speeds & altitudes is not the stand out in this 9/11 saga.

What stands out is the blatant anomalies in Physics that saw 2 buildings struck by objects in the top 1/3 of the towers. These builds were designed to withstand hurricanes & earthquakes.

A random act strikes them & within hours they collapse.... vertically within their own footprints...... followed in the same manner shortly after by Building No.7... that wasn't struck by anything.

The media(BBC) in the UK were even caught out reporting that Building 7 had collapsed at 4.57pm EST when it collapsed(demolished) at 5.21 pm EST. During the televised interview claiming it had collapsed... Building 7 could be clearly seen in the background.

Engineers & Physicists have stated that none of these buildings could have collapsed in their own footprints except by controlled demolition.

The bones/remains of many victims could not be found(turned to ash) due to fires & intense heat yet one of the so called terrorist Pilots paper/cardboard/plastic passport
is found at ground zero intact?

What a load of bullshyte........ it's as good as the single bullet theory killing JFK & hitting 2 others & going through other parts of the vehicle & being presented intact.
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Reply #22 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:04am
 
Yes, we all know that teams of demolition experts used to sneak out at smoko time and plant tons of explosives and kilometers of wiring.

At smoko time they would peel back walls to expose the structures and beams, then drill and cut holes and pack in the explosives, wire it all up, then put the walls and ceilings back in place.....all while everyone was eating smoko.

You can do a lot at smoko time because no one is watching.
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Reply #23 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:13am
 
It is obvious that the official story is not true.

There needs to be another commission to find out the truth this time.
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Reply #24 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:23am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:13am:
It is obvious that the official story is not true.

There needs to be another commission to find out the truth this time.


Just don't hold the "commission" at smoko time!!!
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Reply #25 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:26am
 
FriYAY wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:23am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:13am:
It is obvious that the official story is not true.

There needs to be another commission to find out the truth this time.


Just don't hold the "commission" at smoko time!!!



It's strange that they spend years analyzing aircraft accidents
yet only a few months on 911 & didn't even mention building 7.

What a croc of s..t
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Reply #26 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:32am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:13am:
It is obvious that the official story is not true.

There needs to be another commission to find out the truth this time.


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Reply #27 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:35am
 
FriYAY wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:04am:
Yes, we all know that teams of demolition experts used to sneak out at smoko time and plant tons of explosives and kilometers of wiring.

At smoko time they would peel back walls to expose the structures and beams, then drill and cut holes and pack in the explosives, wire it all up, then put the walls and ceilings back in place.....all while everyone was eating smoko.

You can do a lot at smoko time because no one is watching.


No, not at smoko time, it's more contrived....here is an extract from many of the links you can find under 'maintenance of wtc buildings'.

And not to be outdone by this fact, we also learn that "from 1999 to January of 2002 (Marvin and George W.'s cousin) Wirt Walker III was the company's CEO."

That this stunning, remarkable fact is not front-page news in every newspaper in the country is a mystery I cannot answer, nor solve. That there were well documented power outages and swaths of whole floor shutdowns and evacuations in the weeks leading up to 9/11, perfect opportunities to carry up and plant necessary explosives under the guise of 'maintenance' and/or 'retrofitting' work, only fuels well-placed suspicions. In a People magazine article, Ben Fountain, 42, a financial analyst with Fireman's Fund who worked on the 47th floor of the South Tower, confirmed these evacuations by saying, "How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on.
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Reply #28 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:54am
 
Sophia wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:35am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:04am:
Yes, we all know that teams of demolition experts used to sneak out at smoko time and plant tons of explosives and kilometers of wiring.

At smoko time they would peel back walls to expose the structures and beams, then drill and cut holes and pack in the explosives, wire it all up, then put the walls and ceilings back in place.....all while everyone was eating smoko.

You can do a lot at smoko time because no one is watching.


No, not at smoko time, it's more contrived....here is an extract from many of the links you can find under 'maintenance of wtc buildings'.

And not to be outdone by this fact, we also learn that "from 1999 to January of 2002 (Marvin and George W.'s cousin) Wirt Walker III was the company's CEO."

That this stunning, remarkable fact is not front-page news in every newspaper in the country is a mystery I cannot answer, nor solve. That there were well documented power outages and swaths of whole floor shutdowns and evacuations in the weeks leading up to 9/11, perfect opportunities to carry up and plant necessary explosives under the guise of 'maintenance' and/or 'retrofitting' work, only fuels well-placed suspicions. In a People magazine article, Ben Fountain, 42, a financial analyst with Fireman's Fund who worked on the 47th floor of the South Tower, confirmed these evacuations by saying, "How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on.



Ahhhh yes the old plant the explosives during the fake evacuation drill.

Perhaps Maxwell Smart did it?

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Reply #29 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:57am
 
Sophia wrote on Feb 16th, 2014 at 11:57pm:
And look, no plane hit the WTC 7 building either  Undecided



At least the nutjobs expose their idiocy in this thread, why are the nutjobs all leftists?

Yes no plane hit WTC 7, the falling towers hit WTC7, why are the nutjobs ignorant of this fact in claiming WTC 7 was not damaged?

This video shows the towers impacting WTC7 as they fell, of course the nutjobs will ignore any evidence that shows they are nutjobs.




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