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Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:25pm
 
Gandalf, I am interested in why you would use the interests of the Islamic state as an excuse for slaughtering Jews. Does this mean that if in the future Muslims try to establish an Islamic state and a Jew attempts to undermine it from within, Muslims can execute 800 of his relatives and rape their wives? After all, it was not even a state at the time. Muhammed was still trying to gain control of the city by getting rid of the Jewish tribes who stood in his way. If Jews tried to establish a Jewish state and found that Muslims were attempting to undermine it and seeking foreign help, would you consider it fair for the Jews to kill all the men and rape all the women?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10th, 2014 at 10:47am:
And my point about context is to emphasise the fact that it is not (as you love to claim ad-nauseum) blanket permission or "command" as you originally put it, to go forth and find POWs just so they can be beheaded. It was a drastic action for a most drastic time - and anyone who looks at it honestly and objectively (not you, I know) would concede that it was not a case of a warmongering leader being unnecessary bloodthirsty, but a strong leader doing what he had to do to protect his people and the survival of his fledgling state.
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Re: slaughtering in the name of the Caliphate
Reply #1 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:25pm:

Gandalf, I am interested in why you would use the interests of the Islamic state as an excuse for slaughtering Jews. Does this mean that if in the future Muslims try to establish an Islamic state and a Jew attempts to undermine it from within, Muslims can execute [...the miscreants] ?



If any person commits sedition against a moslem authority/state....

"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."

Koran 33.60,61





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.......If Jews tried to establish a Jewish state and found that Muslims were attempting to undermine it and seeking foreign help, would you consider it fair for the Jews to kill all the men and rape all the women?



Jews don't behave like moslems.

[But if Jews ever did behave like moslems, their behaviour would be unquestionably unlawful - according to Jewish culture and Jewish law.]

The principle distinction between Jewish people and moslems, imo, being;
Jewish law does not legitimise [make lawful] criminal behaviour - in the way that ISLAMIC law clearly does [make lawful, the criminal behaviour of many, many moslems] !

Murder, rape, robbery, etc, etc, is almost always lawful behaviour, for the moslem, if the victim of this moslem violence is an 'un-protected' non-moslem.






"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


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Reply #2 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 8:57pm
 
Jews better than muslims yadda?


Libbre David 37   A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.

Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b   When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.   

Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII   When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156   If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.

Zohar, Vayshlah 177b   That the Jewish nation is the only nation selected by God, while all the remaining ones are contemptible and hateful.   That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.   A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.   

Choshen Ha'mishpat 425:50   Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.

Yalkut 245c   
Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.


Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha   Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.

Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39   A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.

Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348   A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.

Gad. Shas. 2:2   A boy-goy after nine years and one day old, and a girl after three years and one day old, are considered filthy.
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