All religions involve irrational beliefs and practices. Islam is not only a religion, but also a political movement. Unlike other religions, Islam’s irrational beliefs and practices are a threat to all secular democratic societies. We need to bring an end to religion and defeat Islam with a two pronged attack.

The first is the head on approach. The Koran clearly contravenes our laws against racial vilification and the incitement to violence. If you doubt this, then read the following 14 instructions that appear in the Koran.

1. Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them (2:191). 2. Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood (9:123). 3. When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5). 4. Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29). 5. Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85). 6. The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30). 7. Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam (5:33). 8. The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28). 9. Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies (22:19). 10. Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4). 11. The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65). 12. Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28). 13. Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12). 14. Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60).

For our laws to be applied consistently, the Koran should be banned as a terrorist manual.

Just as individuals who wish to leave Christian cults are rescued, those who wish to leave Islam should also be rescued. Given that Islam involves the punishment of death for anyone leaving, or encouraging anyone to leave, this is a direct challenge to the oppression that Islam applies to its members.

The second prong of the attached should be under-mining a fundamental aspect of all religions. This entails the promise that an individual will have an existence after death. If you explore the nature of establishment Physics and our understanding of the Universe, you may come to the following conclusion: “The Universe is a self-organizing, totally connected, and a strictly determined infinite cycle of the construction and de-construction of matter. It never had a beginning and will not have an end. It’s infinite in distance and duration, space and time.”

You might then go on to believe that ”Although there are obviously an infinite number of things in the Universe, if there were an infinite number of types of things (infinite variability) then we wouldn’t observe the discrete types that we do observe.”

This in turn might lead you “...to the realization that everything that can exist must exist an infinite number of times in the past and the present and the future. There are an infinite number of finite versions of myself writing this sentence. You don’t need to believe in a mythical religious god to obtain eternal life, because it’s a given fact of existence. We live and die forever.”

Of course, “The majority of the Physics establishment believe in the Big Bang theory. This proposes that the Universe begun from an extremely small and dense clump of matter that exploded, and that the Universe is continuing to expand as a result. How this clump of matter exploded, is not explained. Sometimes the majority get it wrong.”

With the acceptance of the infinite nature of Human existence, and the spread of secular democracy, most religions will gradually fade away. Islam, on the other hand, as a political movement with its simplistic sharia law, will be more resistant and require on-going political and even military action by those who believe in secular democracy as the best form of government.

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*All that is quoted is from the essay “Beyond the Abstractionist Paradigm of Physics”, which can be found by putting the title into Google.

Stephen

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Which part of the actual text to you disagree with?
Or are you flying on emotion correctness, as usual?

Soren wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:


Pull yourself together, old boy.

There are about 3 Islamic states in the world today, possibly a few more if we include territories and local governments. For most Muslims, Islam is solely a religion. For most, Islam is as much a political movement as Leviticus-following, or desert-wandering, Jews.

And for those who are Muslims, Islam has as much hold over their lives as church-going Christians. They follow the festivals, perform a few rituals, and get on with the business of raising their kids and paying off their mortgages.

For a few fundamentalists - largely in the West - Islam is a cult. They attach themselves to independence struggles and generally make a lot of noise. Abu was a good example of this sort of cult-follower. In practice, most of them do nothing but talk.

The ones who do more than talk are far less dangerous than the.myriad of cold war independence struggles and troublemakers that marked the last 60 years. Most are tracked and caught. Most stuff up before they’re caught. They all talk.

So yes, old boy, your energy is wasted. Try to exert it on the production of lunch, One old boy stool for table one.

Coming right up.

Soren wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:


And if you asked Christians in the US Bible belt the same question, you'd get a significant number too. Christians in the US have been encroaching into the state since Reagan. Their reasoning for small government is to give religion a bigger role.

And yes, a minority have been involved in significant acts of terrorism.

The social phenomenon you're describing is not confined to one religion. It's a problem with the rise of fundamentalism. I include atheist fundamentalism here too. Dawkins and Hitchens are just as dogmatic in their views as any Christian or Muslim. Their dichotomous stance towards religion creates conflict and a hardening of views.

Fundamentalism has risen due to the dearth of ethics within the current stage of capitaism. People are looking for "answers". They'll only get answers to the questions they ask, of course, and this is the role of religion - to ask the questions. Our reified economic model is devoid of connections, which makes people look for them.

In feudalism, you had planting and harvest festivals, you asked the Supreme being for rain, and you thanked Him for grain. The answers to your questions came with the seasons. You could see and touch Gud's work, and your family and community brought in the fruits of your labour together.

Within capitalism, goods and services are assembled piecemeal. Your bank's call centre is in the Philippines. Your shoes are made in Vietnam. Your food is grown somewhere - you have no idea where. Our human connections are beyond our knowledge, and this makes us want answers. It leads us to metaphysics, and as Weber said, the gates of the church are always open.

The religions who address this question of alienation are the most successful in recruiting. Fixed, hierarchical structures; organised and controlled. This, after all, is what people are looking for. The sense of purpose in these religions is unwavering. For some, the closer they skirt to death, the better - this risk is an important part of the message.

Whether it's Christianity, Islam, or even the atheist fundamentalist movements of the Cold War - Bader Meinhoff, the Red Brigade, Black September - the issue is not their beliefs, but their fundamentalism.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:





Culture Warrior,

Would you like to elaborate, and be a little more descriptive here ?

"an all encompassing system"

      ....is what ? describes, what ?

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:31am:



Just bollocks. I have never heard of riots over cartoons or rebuttals of Dawkins or Hitchens.

Equivocation in this area is just dishonest. That's why you of all people mounting the equivocation argument.


The Red Brigades and the others emerged and disappeared without trace. Even the Soviet Union (the embodiment of a very European, Judeo-Christian idea) collapsed within a little over 70 years.

But Islamic fundamentalism has been with us unchanged for 1300 years. They will riot over the most ridiculous thing. And it's not the minority of Muslim who are fundamentalist. Islam could not have resisted internal (let alone external) critical review without Muslims being able to resist critical appraisal for 13 centuries. 

If there was a real desire among the majority of Muslims to move on from being collectively fundamentalists, they would have conducted their on reforms.  Instead, they are conducting their age old internal civil war now sucking the rest of the world into their fundamentalist, blood-soaked sectarian disputes.

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