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Re: Truebelieverland
Reply #180 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 10:11pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Oh & btw, you still haven't answered the REAL question!

.....and you haven't asked one

As usual, you are either avoiding REALITY or you don't understand what reality is, because you are one of the TrueLiberalbelivers!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 11:55pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

.... capitalism hasn't worked, accept it and move on

Capitalism works fine. It's the cancerous intrusion of anti-competitive behaviour from socialists that causes problems.

Does it REALLY?
I would suggest that, as usual, being one of the Liberal "Truebelievers", you have not answered the REAL questions, on why the Capitalist "leaders" such as the US & Japan have performed so poorly & you won't answer the central questions, because to do so would necessitate an admission that Capitalism (Mark 1) has had its day in the sun and is now fading into history!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

So Swaggy, IF the Capitalist way is so good, THEN WHY are the results of its "leaders", so CRAPPY?

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

No matter what the true Party Political believers on both sides of Politics may believe, there is little to no truth in rumours spread by those "who believe" that one or another side of Politics is inherently better or worse than the other.

The truth is that the real test for both Political & Economic systems, is that of outcomes & not just outcomes, But LONG TERM OUTCOMES, BOTH ECONOMIC & THE HUMANITIES!

Unfortunately, most Politicians & Political Party's, over a considerable length of time, both here in OZ & in most other countries, have failed to pass this test!

A quick look at Reality shows a "somewhat" different picture, to PR slogans painted by Politicians.

In broad terms, the USA & Japan are painted as Capitalist countries, whilst Norway would generally come under Socialism, as it has major Public ownership of various major business entities & it provides considerable Services to the Public, including Medical & Retirement Benefits, But it also applies quite high Taxes.

But, the current Economic outcomes can only be described as "interesting, including a comparison to OZ -

1) Japan - 212% Debt to GDP Ratio

2) USA - 102% Debt to GDP Ratio

3) Norway - 28% Debt to GDP Ratio

4) Australia - 21% Debt to GDP Ratio

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/government-debt-to-gdp

So, the leading Capitalist countries are actually in Debt, BIG TIME, whilst both Norway & Australia actually have quite modest Debt.

But, it doesn't finish there, because Australia also has an $80 Billion Future fund, which is some 5% o its GDP, which is ok, But the big winners are the Norwegians who have a "Future Fund" now sitting around $900 Billion, which is approaching 200% of their GDP.

So, like I said, IT'S ABOUT OUTCOMES & LONG TERM OUTCOMES AT THAT!

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Reply #182 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 10:52pm

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation

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Reply #183 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 11:44pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 10:52pm:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation

The abbreviated version is, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

1) Japan - 212% Debt to GDP Ratio

2) USA - 102% Debt to GDP Ratio

3) Norway - 28% Debt to GDP Ratio

4) Australia - 21% Debt to GDP Ratio

So, the leading Capitalist countries are actually in Debt, BIG TIME, whilst both Norway & Australia actually have quite modest Debt.

But, it doesn't finish there, because Australia also has an $80 Billion Future fund, which is some 5% o its GDP, which is ok, But the big winners are the Norwegians who have a "Future Fund" now sitting around $900 Billion, which is approaching 200% of their GDP.

In broad terms, the USA & Japan are painted as Capitalist countries, whilst Norway would generally come under Socialism, as it has major Public ownership of various major business entities & it provides considerable Services to the Public, including Medical & Retirement Benefits, But it also applies quite high Taxes.

Your Capitalist system has never worked, certainly not the way you talk about it & Capitalism is now in the midst of Capitulating, which we will all see happen in the years ahead!

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Reply #184 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:14am

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 11:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 10:52pm:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation

The abbreviated version is, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

1) Japan - 212% Debt to GDP Ratio

2) USA - 102% Debt to GDP Ratio

3) Norway - 28% Debt to GDP Ratio

4) Australia - 21% Debt to GDP Ratio

So, the leading Capitalist countries are actually in Debt, BIG TIME, whilst both Norway & Australia actually have quite modest Debt.

But, it doesn't finish there, because Australia also has an $80 Billion Future fund, which is some 5% o its GDP, which is ok, But the big winners are the Norwegians who have a "Future Fund" now sitting around $900 Billion, which is approaching 200% of their GDP.

In broad terms, the USA & Japan are painted as Capitalist countries, whilst Norway would generally come under Socialism, as it has major Public ownership of various major business entities & it provides considerable Services to the Public, including Medical & Retirement Benefits, But it also applies quite high Taxes.

Your Capitalist system has never worked, certainly not the way you talk about it & Capitalism is now in the midst of Capitulating, which we will all see happen in the years ahead!

Swag why don't you answer Perc's question

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Re: Truebelieverland
Reply #185 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 11:26am

Because I've already answered it.....twice.

Here's Take 3 ----------->

REPLY NUMBER 149

Swagman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

What's the question again? Huh

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 9:19pm:

So Swaggy, IF the Capitalist way is so good, THEN WHY are the results of its "leaders", so CRAPPY

?

..answered in reply # 75 but repeated for your benefit below...

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

So Swaggy, IF the Capitalist way is so good, THEN WHY are the results of its "leaders", so CRAPPY?

That's an easy one because as the story says......

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The Coalitionlanders have lots of cash though because they no longer had any freeloaders to hand out funds to

Those that pay the majority of tax are in the minority. Government is in the hands of the Freeloaders.

The Countries that are deep in public debt have been maintaining living standards by maxing the credit card instead of balancing the books.

Why go without when you have a credit card to hit. Labor's motto... Grin

And as the Iron Lady said...."the trouble with socialism is that you always run out of other people's money"..... Sad

In simple terms ------> The debt in Western countries is the price of Social Democracy. Years and years of social policy being paid for by debt instead of performance. ---

PORKBARRELLING

They aren't true democracies. They are Ochlocracies. Ruled by the majority that pay the minority of tax.

Tyrannies of the mob.

Ochlocracies are a form of democracy in which a majority of people believe they make themselves better off by voting themselves money through the public trough.

Pork barrelling is rife in ochlocracies, as everyone tries to live at everyone else's expense.

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