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Reply #15 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 12:09am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 5:23am:
Cofgod wrote on Jan 30th, 2014 at 11:16pm:
Farage's argument is that when handguns were banned in 1997 crimes involving them doubled in the next five years.

So it could be that the ban on handguns actually hasn't worked and could have actually made it worse. 

As Farage said: "If you criminalise handguns then only the criminals carry the guns."


The problem with gun-ownership is that the vast majority of would-be responsible owners are denied a gun because of the small minority of idiot hooligans who would flash them around and cause accidents ~ some of them fatal.

Incidentally, I'm sandwiched between two neighbours who lawfully both have guns in the house. If you're willing to go through certain procedures to own a gun, then it can be done, but it's a fairly lengthy process.


id say you got it the wrong way round, the vast majority are incapable of being responsible with a hand gun. In fact on occasion even people who are highly trained and use handguns in the course of their employment cannot be trusted. Im in favour of gun ownership with a number of restrictions. 1. mandatory IQ testing, under average and you are out. 2. Compoulsory psychiatric evaluation. That would disallowf 99 percent of the australian population and allow people like myself to own one privately.
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Reply #16 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 12:15am
 
Cofgod wrote on Jan 30th, 2014 at 11:16pm:
Farage's argument is that when handguns were banned in 1997 crimes involving them doubled in the next five years.

So it could be that the ban on handguns actually hasn't worked and could have actually made it worse. 

As Farage said: "If you criminalise handguns then only the criminals carry the guns."

Not sure how accurate his claim is but I will make a point. My understanding is that UK statistics on gun crime include all crime committed by people with replicas, air rifles and even toy guns. If this is so it is quite possible to infer that crimes otherwise committed with real guns are now being committed with replicas or toy guns.
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Reply #17 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:21am
 
ian wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 12:09am:
id say you got it the wrong way round, the vast majority are incapable of being responsible with a hand gun. In fact on occasion even people who are highly trained and use handguns in the course of their employment cannot be trusted. Im in favour of gun ownership with a number of restrictions. 1. mandatory IQ testing, under average and you are out. 2. Compoulsory psychiatric evaluation. That would disallowf 99 percent of the australian population and allow people like myself to own one privately.




My god, you are such a tool.  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin


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Reply #18 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:35am
 
ian wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 12:09am:
id say you got it the wrong way round, the vast majority are incapable of being responsible with a hand gun. In fact on occasion even people who are highly trained and use handguns in the course of their employment cannot be trusted. Im in favour of gun ownership with a number of restrictions. 1. mandatory IQ testing, under average and you are out. 2. Compoulsory psychiatric evaluation. That would disallowf 99 percent of the australian population and allow people like myself to own one privately.


Sadly, I think you may be right.

I would up the ante on the IQ test to no less than 110 -115.

And then more importantly, a whole batch of Personality tests be given to filter out the cowboys, and the emotionally immature, and the macho egotists, and the gang-bangers, and the misfit teenage school-kids with a hankering for mass-murder in the classrooms.

And then ...

Oh hang on. That would leave no one left, wouldn't it?







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Reply #19 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 6:54am
 
It would be interesting to see what the cost of a license would be if these "tests" were applied.

What about driving licenses, most of the deaths in Australia are caused by some of the worst drivers on the planet? Is the sad excuse for a driving test here enough?

Hand guns will never be a UK thing, and the vast majority of all firearms will remain very much restricted, as it should be both here and in UK.

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Reply #20 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:16pm
 
Cofgod wrote on Jan 30th, 2014 at 8:07am:
Britain has some of the world's toughest gun laws and it's very difficult to get a gun. Most people in Britain have never seen a gun in real life.

The result is that Britain has some of the least deaths from shootings in the world.


Britain has a higher homicide rate than New Zealand which allows semi auto rifles with silencers,Britain has a higher homicide rate than Australia.

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


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Reply #21 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:35pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:21am:
ian wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 12:09am:
id say you got it the wrong way round, the vast majority are incapable of being responsible with a hand gun. In fact on occasion even people who are highly trained and use handguns in the course of their employment cannot be trusted. Im in favour of gun ownership with a number of restrictions. 1. mandatory IQ testing, under average and you are out. 2. Compoulsory psychiatric evaluation. That would disallowf 99 percent of the australian population and allow people like myself to own one privately.




My god, you are such a tool.  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin


And not the useful type, like a bag of hammers.



Youre ust butthurt because the IQ test would count you out.
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Reply #22 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:54pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 9:51am:
Nigel Farage - the leader of the UK Independence Party is advocating that private hand-gun ownership be made legal again.

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Mr Farage insisted he did not want to move to the ‘absolutely crazy’ system in the U.S. where ‘you can go and buy automatic repeating rifles down at the local gun shop that looks more like a supermarket'.

Mr Farage added: ‘I think the knee jerk legislation that Blair brought in that meant that the British Olympic pistol team have to go to France to even practice, was just crackers.

‘And, if you criminalise handguns then only the criminals carry the guns.

‘And, it’s really interesting that since Blair brought that piece of law in gun crime doubled in the next five years in this country. ‘

Mr Farage added: ‘I think we need a proper gun licensing system which to a large extent we already have and I think the ban on hand guns is ludicrous.’


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In Australia it's a simple matter of joining a gun club (under a member's sponsorship) ~ and then acquiring a gun and making sure you shoot at the club a certain required number of times a year.

Voila. You've got a handgun at home.





Hope you're right and it's that simple

Because I want at least one gun.  For protection.  To protect my family and myself

It's said Howard had no legal authority to ban guns in this country.  It's said it was all bluff that he got away with.  Can't remember the link, but I read a lengthy, erudite thread about that somewhere

Whatever the case, I believe it my right to own a weapon I can rely upon to protect our home

Funny how the police go to dozens of shooting incidents every week, most of them involving migrants, yet those same individuals are able to obtain and use guns and the police, the law, the government is either incapable (incompetent) or uninterested in doing anything about it

The rest of us become victims at the hands of those who kill and maim us with knives, axes, swords, star poles, filthy needles, baseball bats, et al

Most of us are not trained in unarmed combat.  Most of us have no training at all in self-defence.  They're picking us off. When the police catch them, if they do, judges let them walk or pass lenient sentence.  Even murder is worth only a year or two

If the public was armed, less of them would suffer

Makes sense for people to be armed

Currently, our treacherous government rules against even the use of MACE or other self-defence sprays.  Where's the logic?  There is none.  Howard was ordered to get rid of people's guns and to render them defenceless.  And he obeyed the orders

coincidentally, it's said that Israel gave Howard innumerable awards for 'services to israel', to the point they had no awards left and had to settle for naming a forest in his honour

Where are the 'services to Australia' on Howard's part ?

Who was paying him all those years -- Aussies or jews ?  And how come he got away with it when he should have been strung from a branch

Needless to say, I agree with the guy from the UK who said people should at least have hand-guns to protect themselves and their families with

Howard meanwhile continues to use our money in the form of security for his lacklustre family and himself

We're stupid for letting this go on
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Reply #23 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:04pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:54pm:
I want at least one gun.  For protection.  To protect my family and myself

Whatever the case, I believe it my right to own a weapon I can rely upon to protect our home

Funny how the police go to dozens of shooting incidents every week, most of them involving migrants, yet those same individuals are able to obtain and use guns and the police, the law, the government is either incapable (incompetent) or uninterested in doing anything about it



Self defence or protection is not a valid reason to own a gun in Australia, the authorities say give the criminal what he wants so he does not shoot you.

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