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Reply #1875 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 2:15pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Same old, same old, I see.
I wonder Baron, what do you think of the good ol' boys who like to use their guns to threaten their women folk in the home? What about the good ol' girls who enjoy frightening their kids with their guns? Such fun, law abidin' firearms owners have a home with their family and their guns, hey?

Same old same old with your retarded use of emoticons and smearing all law abiding firearm owners eh Hb.

You really do have a bunker mentality, don't you Baron? I never claimed anything about "all law abiding firearm owners". You have erected that strawman argument yourself.

Get back to me when you've actually read what I said and understood who I was talking about! Grin

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Reply #1876 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 5:12pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Same old, same old, I see.
I wonder Baron, what do you think of the good ol' boys who like to use their guns to threaten their women folk in the home? What about the good ol' girls who enjoy frightening their kids with their guns? Such fun, law abidin' firearms owners have a home with their family and their guns, hey?

Same old same old with your retarded use of emoticons and smearing all law abiding firearm owners eh Hb.

You really do have a bunker mentality, don't you Baron? I never claimed anything about "all law abiding firearm owners". You have erected that strawman argument yourself.

Get back to me when you've actually read what I said and understood who I was talking about! Grin

The law is pretty clear HB-
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11.General restrictions on issue of licences
(5) A licence must not be issued to a person who:
(c) is subject to an AVO or who has at any time within 10 years before the application for licence was made,been subject to such an order
legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/act+46+1996+cd+0+N

An AVO results in loss of firearm licence for 10 years,the Hoplophobic greens want to reduce this to 5 years.
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13.Tighter legislated minimum standards for the refusal and cancellation of licences,including:
13.2 Being subject to an AVO within the past 5 years.
http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/nsw/firearms

My personal opinion is similar to the Liberal Democrats policy,having an AVO taken out against you should disqualify you from owning firearms forever none of this 5 or 10 years crap.

Of course some cultures allow wife bashing if you fear disobedience,should we consider that acceptable Hb?
quran.com/4/34

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1877 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Same old, same old, I see.
I wonder Baron, what do you think of the good ol' boys who like to use their guns to threaten their women folk in the home? What about the good ol' girls who enjoy frightening their kids with their guns? Such fun, law abidin' firearms owners have a home with their family and their guns, hey?

Same old same old with your retarded use of emoticons and smearing all law abiding firearm owners eh Hb.

You really do have a bunker mentality, don't you Baron? I never claimed anything about "all law abiding firearm owners". You have erected that strawman argument yourself.

Get back to me when you've actually read what I said and understood who I was talking about! Grin

The law is pretty clear HB-
Quote:

11.General restrictions on issue of licences
(5) A licence must not be issued to a person who:
(c) is subject to an AVO or who has at any time within 10 years before the application for licence was made,been subject to such an order
legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/act+46+1996+cd+0+N

An AVO results in loss of firearm licence for 10 years,the Hoplophobic greens want to reduce this to 5 years.
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13.Tighter legislated minimum standards for the refusal and cancellation of licences,including:
13.2 Being subject to an AVO within the past 5 years.
http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/nsw/firearms

My personal opinion is similar to the Liberal Democrats policy,having an AVO taken out against you should disqualify you from owning firearms forever none of this 5 or 10 years crap.

Of course some cultures allow wife bashing if you fear disobedience,should we consider that acceptable Hb?
quran.com/4/34

And that pretty much means that the guy was NOT a registered licence holder, and probably was NOT a 'law abiding citizen' at any time, and would not have ever had a gun licence...(sorry Greg)

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1878 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 5:50pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Same old, same old, I see.
I wonder Baron, what do you think of the good ol' boys who like to use their guns to threaten their women folk in the home? What about the good ol' girls who enjoy frightening their kids with their guns? Such fun, law abidin' firearms owners have a home with their family and their guns, hey?

Same old same old with your retarded use of emoticons and smearing all law abiding firearm owners eh Hb.

You really do have a bunker mentality, don't you Baron? I never claimed anything about "all law abiding firearm owners". You have erected that strawman argument yourself.

Get back to me when you've actually read what I said and understood who I was talking about! Grin

The law is pretty clear HB-
Quote:

11.General restrictions on issue of licences
(5) A licence must not be issued to a person who:
(c) is subject to an AVO or who has at any time within 10 years before the application for licence was made,been subject to such an order
legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/act+46+1996+cd+0+N

An AVO results in loss of firearm licence for 10 years,the Hoplophobic greens want to reduce this to 5 years.
Quote:

13.Tighter legislated minimum standards for the refusal and cancellation of licences,including:
13.2 Being subject to an AVO within the past 5 years.
http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/nsw/firearms

My personal opinion is similar to the Liberal Democrats policy,having an AVO taken out against you should disqualify you from owning firearms forever none of this 5 or 10 years crap.

Of course some cultures allow wife bashing if you fear disobedience,should we consider that acceptable Hb?
quran.com/4/34

Yes, the law is clear but is the law being enforced Baron?

Are you willing to apologise to me for making a claim about what I had said which I had demonstrably not typed? Or are you going to run and hide and fondle your beloved guns instead? Grin

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1879 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Same old, same old, I see.
I wonder Baron, what do you think of the good ol' boys who like to use their guns to threaten their women folk in the home? What about the good ol' girls who enjoy frightening their kids with their guns? Such fun, law abidin' firearms owners have a home with their family and their guns, hey?

Same old same old with your retarded use of emoticons and smearing all law abiding firearm owners eh Hb.

You really do have a bunker mentality, don't you Baron? I never claimed anything about "all law abiding firearm owners". You have erected that strawman argument yourself.

Get back to me when you've actually read what I said and understood who I was talking about! Grin

The law is pretty clear HB-
Quote:

11.General restrictions on issue of licences
(5) A licence must not be issued to a person who:
(c) is subject to an AVO or who has at any time within 10 years before the application for licence was made,been subject to such an order
legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/act+46+1996+cd+0+N

An AVO results in loss of firearm licence for 10 years,the Hoplophobic greens want to reduce this to 5 years.
Quote:

13.Tighter legislated minimum standards for the refusal and cancellation of licences,including:
13.2 Being subject to an AVO within the past 5 years.
http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/nsw/firearms

My personal opinion is similar to the Liberal Democrats policy,having an AVO taken out against you should disqualify you from owning firearms forever none of this 5 or 10 years crap.

Of course some cultures allow wife bashing if you fear disobedience,should we consider that acceptable Hb?
quran.com/4/34

Yes, the law is clear but is the law being enforced Baron?

Are you willing to apologise to me for making a claim about what I had said which I had demonstrably not typed? Or are you going to run and hide and fondle your beloved guns instead? Grin

Yes, the law IS being enforced.

It's only soft-c0cks like YOU that whine about gun-licence holders being crims

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1880 - Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Yes, the law IS being enforced.

Which is why I read in the papers stories of women and children being threatened by husbands and mothers with guns? I suppose they're the ones who got caught?

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It's only soft-c0cks like YOU that whine about gun-licence holders being crims

Deeply sexualised views there Gizmo. How long have you associated manhood with arguments? Cheesy

Leaving that out for the moment, care to provide a quote where I've made that claim or is it just you over-reacting like a victimised gun lover? Grin

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Re: Gun laws in Australia
Reply #1881 - Jul 28^th, 2015 at 1:36pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Yes, the law IS being enforced.

Which is why I read in the papers stories of women and children being threatened by husbands and mothers with guns? I suppose they're the ones who got caught?

Still trolling hb, the law has been in force for nearly 20 years and you still try to smear LAFO with your ignorance

The Police told the senate inquiry licenced firearm owners are not the problem
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11.
(3) A licence must not be issued unless:
(a) The commissioner is satisfied that the applicant is a fit and proper person and can be trusted to have possession of a firearm without danger to pubic safety or to the peace
legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/act+46+1996+cd+0+N

Can you cite these articles where women and children are threatened by licenced firearm owners HB or did you pluck that from your ass?

This is a family conflict with people you are so eager to support, I don't think any of them had firearm licences or registered guns.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwiche-Razzak-Fahda_family_conflict

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Reply #1882 - Jul 28^th, 2015 at 3:43pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Yes, the law IS being enforced.

Which is why I read in the papers stories of women and children being threatened by husbands and mothers with guns? I suppose they're the ones who got caught?

Still trolling hb, the law has been in force for nearly 20 years and you still try to smear LAFO with your ignorance

Where have I mentioned "law abidin' firearm owners" Baron? You need to stop feeling persecuted. Have you used your gun to threaten your missus? Grin

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Can you cite these articles where women and children are threatened by licenced firearm owners HB or did you pluck that from your ass?

Court hears man threatened partner with gun while detaining her in Broken Hill home

Tears as 'sniper' woman acquitted of murder

Going to apologise? That's twice you've been caught out! Grin

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Reply #1883 - Jul 28^th, 2015 at 7:26pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Yes, the law IS being enforced.

Which is why I read in the papers stories of women and children being threatened by husbands and mothers with guns? I suppose they're the ones who got caught?

Still trolling hb, the law has been in force for nearly 20 years and you still try to smear LAFO with your ignorance

Where have I mentioned "law abidin' firearm owners" Baron? You need to stop feeling persecuted. Have you used your gun to threaten your missus? Grin

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Can you cite these articles where women and children are threatened by licenced firearm owners HB or did you pluck that from your ass?

Court hears man threatened partner with gun while detaining her in Broken Hill home

Tears as 'sniper' woman acquitted of murder

Going to apologise? That's twice you've been caught out! Grin

Your arguments, of course, are not modified by reports such as these:

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/roger-rogerson-and-glen-mcnamara-on-tria...

This is the type of interaction between 'licensed' gun owners and the 'innocent' public that we enact laws to, hopefully, prevent such outcomes.

Of course, it is the guns that are to blame for the tragedy involved.

The fact that we have 'retired' policemen and ambitious 'ethnic' drug dealers involved entirely escapes your notice.

It would appear to me that licensed firearms owners were not involved.

It would appear to me that your objections to firearms possession should be directed elsewhere. Rogerson with a gun?

If Jamie Gow had a gun, things might have turned out differently.

What would the news report if there were three bleeding corpses to be found in that garage?

It's the GUNS!

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Reply #1884 - Jul 28^th, 2015 at 8:15pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Yes, the law IS being enforced.

Which is why I read in the papers stories of women and children being threatened by husbands and mothers with guns? I suppose they're the ones who got caught?

Still trolling hb, the law has been in force for nearly 20 years and you still try to smear LAFO with your ignorance

Where have I mentioned "law abidin' firearm owners" Baron? You need to stop feeling persecuted. Have you used your gun to threaten your missus? Grin

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Can you cite these articles where women and children are threatened by licenced firearm owners HB or did you pluck that from your ass?

Court hears man threatened partner with gun while detaining her in Broken Hill home

Tears as 'sniper' woman acquitted of murder

Going to apologise? That's twice you've been caught out! Grin

Your arguments, of course, are not modified by reports such as these:

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/roger-rogerson-and-glen-mcnamara-on-tria...

This is the type of interaction between 'licensed' gun owners and the 'innocent' public that we enact laws to, hopefully, prevent such outcomes.

Of course, it is the guns that are to blame for the tragedy involved.

The fact that we have 'retired' policemen and ambitious 'ethnic' drug dealers involved entirely escapes your notice.

It would appear to me that licensed firearms owners were not involved.

It would appear to me that your objections to firearms possession should be directed elsewhere. Rogerson with a gun?

If Jamie Gow had a gun, things might have turned out differently.

What would the news report if there were three bleeding corpses to be found in that garage?

It's the GUNS!

Grin

Yes, it is.

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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11117 Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1885 - Jul 29^th, 2015 at 7:30am .. .. .. Blaming Guns for Killing People, is like Blaming a Spoon for Making Clive Palmer Fat! Guns can't shoot by themselves, they need PEOPLE to load them, they need PEOPLE to aim them, & then they need PEOPLE to pull their trigger! Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!
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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11117 Gender:	Re: Gun laws in Australia Reply #1886 - Jul 29^th, 2015 at 7:58am Silly Left-Wing, Gun-Grabbing, Hoplophobes still think that GUNS kill PEOPLE, actually if you want to be pedantic, it's the BULLET that KILLS PEOPLE. ......then again, who puts the BULLET into the GUN? Silly Hoplophobes!
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Reply #1887 - Jul 29^th, 2015 at 3:55pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Yes, the law IS being enforced.

Which is why I read in the papers stories of women and children being threatened by husbands and mothers with guns? I suppose they're the ones who got caught?

Still trolling hb, the law has been in force for nearly 20 years and you still try to smear LAFO with your ignorance

Where have I mentioned "law abidin' firearm owners" Baron? You need to stop feeling persecuted. Have you used your gun to threaten your missus? Grin

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Can you cite these articles where women and children are threatened by licenced firearm owners HB or did you pluck that from your ass?

Court hears man threatened partner with gun while detaining her in Broken Hill home

Tears as 'sniper' woman acquitted of murder

Going to apologise? That's twice you've been caught out! Grin

Your arguments, of course, are not modified by reports such as these:

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/roger-rogerson-and-glen-mcnamara-on-tria...

As Moses likes to suggest, a "tangent". No wives or children were involved in that case from all reports, just a drug deal which went wrong. You really need better material! Grin

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Reply #1888 - Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:13pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Yes, the law IS being enforced.

Which is why I read in the papers stories of women and children being threatened by husbands and mothers with guns? I suppose they're the ones who got caught?

Still trolling hb, the law has been in force for nearly 20 years and you still try to smear LAFO with your ignorance

Where have I mentioned "law abidin' firearm owners" Baron? You need to stop feeling persecuted. Have you used your gun to threaten your missus? Grin

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Can you cite these articles where women and children are threatened by licenced firearm owners HB or did you pluck that from your ass?

Court hears man threatened partner with gun while detaining her in Broken Hill home

Tears as 'sniper' woman acquitted of murder

Going to apologise? That's twice you've been caught out! Grin

When are you going to answer my questions HB,why are you avoiding them?

Your first link has no evidence he had a firearm licence, she reported it to the Police and they took his guns away and refused bail.
Is that an example of how the law works when you report misuse of a gun?

The sniper woman would need a licence to access the gun safe,did she steal her husbands gun and ambush him then claim self defence,would a man get away with claiming self defence for doing the exact same thing?

There are over 1 million firearm licence holders in Australia,surely with that many guns and you claiming this is an epidemic you would have more recent examples instead of nearly decade old stuff.

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Reply #1889 - Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:22am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

When are you going to answer my questions HB,why are you avoiding them?

Your first link has no evidence he had a firearm licence, she reported it to the Police and they took his guns away and refused bail.
Is that an example of how the law works when you report misuse of a gun?

The sniper woman would need a licence to access the gun safe,did she steal her husbands gun and ambush him then claim self defence,would a man get away with claiming self defence for doing the exact same thing?

There are over 1 million firearm licence holders in Australia,surely with that many guns and you claiming this is an epidemic you would have more recent examples instead of nearly decade old stuff.

Spot on!

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