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Re: We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....
Reply #15 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 7:35am
 
Still didn't read any of it - one punchy line please.
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Re: We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....
Reply #16 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:16am
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 7:26am:

Muslim extremists are a very small unrepresentative group,
that does not represent that majority of Muslims, so I don't assume they all want to cut my head off for blasphemy.




Homicidal moslem maniacs,
.....just a tiny minority of extremists.

Of course.          Tongue




Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:54am:

Stratos,

You are not a sincere person.

There is a lot of it about.....








Pew survey of Muslims' opinions
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522/0#0i
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Stratos said.....
"Muslim extremists are a very small unrepresentative group...."



Hey Stratos here they all are, that tiny, tiny, minority of moslem extremists, in one place !!!

You can see all of those moslem extremists, as the camera swings around!


Quote:

Mild mannered -
"We will govern for all Egyptians"
- Mohamed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt


"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg







Stratos,

If only someone had thought to round up all of those moslem extremists, that decided to attend Mohamed Morsis' political address !!!!

What an opportunity missed!!!!!!!!
         Sad



Grin



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....
Reply #17 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:21am
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 7:35am:
Still didn't read any of it - one punchy line please.


I'm still working on the wording Bobby.

But pay attention, or you'll miss it!

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Re: We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....
Reply #18 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:55am
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:16am:
Homicidal moslem maniacs,
.....just a tiny minority of extremists.

Of course. 


Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?  I notice you ignored my two specific examples.  There are more Muslims in Indonesia than any other country in the world, yet not only have they not executed anyone for blasphemy or apostasy, yet they have executed Islamic extremists.

According to what you have said the whole country should be  running under Shariah Law, so what happened?  Why is it not?
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Re: We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....
Reply #19 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:29am
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:55am:
Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:16am:
Homicidal moslem maniacs,
.....just a tiny minority of extremists.

Of course. 


Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?  I notice you ignored my two specific examples.

There are more Muslims in Indonesia than any other country in the world, yet not only have they not executed anyone for blasphemy or apostasy,
yet they have executed Islamic extremists.

According to what you have said the whole country should be  running under Shariah Law, so what happened?  Why is it not?




Stratos,

I'm sure there are moslems in Indonesia who have done Allah's bidding in that regard.






Stratos,

In the Hadith Allah's messenger commands moslems to kill apostates.

And in the Koran, Allah commands moslems to wage war upon those who are not moslems, and to either enslave them, or, to kill them.



Stratos,

Q.
If that is true [and it is], and, if there are more moslems in Indonesia than any other country in the world, then why haven't the Indonesians invaded Australia ?


A.
Allah is a blow-hard, puny, powerless god.

And many moslems suspect it.




e.g.
In 1948, 6 or 7 Arab/moslem armies attacked the newly formed state of Israel.

Q.
In 1948, why didn't the moslem god, Allah, help the moslems to destroy the 'Zionist' state ?




The moslems had 6 or 7 well equipped Arab/moslem armies to attack Israel.

The Jews had a few WWII surplus rifles, and a few machine guns, one WWII Spitfire, one WWII Messersmitt 109 and about 6 crop dusters.

And the Arab armies ran away,
.......because the moslems decided, that they didn't really want to die for Allah.

poor little things.




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Stratos,

Why is your god the god of moslems, Allah, so, so, afraid of people who do not believe in him ???

Is he afraid that they may hurt him ???



In the following Hadith, it is described, how Mohammed himself, secures the political assassination of an enemy of Allah, the puny, the powerless, 'hurt', god.....



"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"....."

bukhari #005.059.369

Q.
And i ask, how can a mortal man, hurt a god ????





A.
Allah is a spiritual 'cockroach', imo.

And he is scared of me.

Allah and his minions are terrified, of my God.

I've seen them depart hurriedly, depart very, very, hurriedly, in my lucid dreams.


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Re: We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....
Reply #20 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 12:47pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:29am:
I'm sure there are moslems in Indonesia who have done Allah's bidding in that regard


Just not any that make up the laws, or lead the country apparently.

Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:29am:
In the Hadith Allah's messenger commands moslems to kill apostates.

And in the Koran, Allah commands moslems to wage war upon those who are not moslems, and to either enslave them, or, to kill them.


And evidently this doesn't happen.  That either means that you are wrong in your interpretation of what  a Muslim is, or that these people aren't real Muslims.  Either way you are wrong.  So which is, is your interpretation of Islam wrong, or are these people not real Muslims (and therefore nothing to worry about)?
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Re: We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....
Reply #21 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 4:29pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 12:47pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:29am:
I'm sure there are moslems in Indonesia who have done Allah's bidding in that regard


Just not any that make up the laws, or lead the country apparently.

Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:29am:
In the Hadith Allah's messenger commands moslems to kill apostates.

And in the Koran, Allah commands moslems to wage war upon those who are not moslems, and to either enslave them, or, to kill them.


And evidently this doesn't happen.

That either means that you are wrong in your interpretation of what  a Muslim is, or that these people aren't real Muslims.

Either way you are wrong.

So which is,

is your interpretation of Islam wrong,

or are these people not real Muslims (and therefore nothing to worry about)?





Either way, i am wrong ?







Stratos,

Moslems consistently, repeatedly, making poor choices, is nothing to worry about ?

Believe that Stratos, if you will.







Quote:

Who is a moslem ?

"Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."

[i.e. these, are the Allah, and the Mohammed, that are described in the Koran and Hadith]


By making such a declaration;

"I am a moslem."
;

.....every moslem, is choosing to directly associate themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [within the moslem community].

And every moslem is thereby associating >> themselves << with every violent criminal act which is purposefully done, 'in the name of Allah/ISLAM'.


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Google;
Shahadah


The Shahadah is the ISLAMIC declaration of faith [so as to become a moslem].

The Shahadah goes;

Quote:

     “There is no god but Allah; and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”


Longer versions are common, especially those beginning with “I bear witness” or “I testify,” e.g.:

    “I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”



http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/what-is-shahada.html




It is not credible, imo, that a person declares himself to be a 'moslem', and that that person, a self declared moslem, then tries to portray to others [non-moslems] that he is unaware that,
the fundamental tenets and laws of ISLAM, mandate a relationship of everlasting hatred and cultural enmity towards all persons who are not moslems.

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Stratos,

Men should worship God,        ...and not demons!


Matthew 4:9
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


Luke 4:6
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7  If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


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Re: We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....
Reply #22 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:44pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 4:29pm:
Moslems consistently, repeatedly, making poor choices, is nothing to worry about ?


Wait, so now they are only "making poor choices"?  what happened to
Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 6:31am:
"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."


Why hasn't Indonesia executed any apostates then?  answer Yadda, are they either non-Muslims, or is your definition of a Muslim wrong?
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Reply #23 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:41pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 5:44pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 4:29pm:
Moslems consistently, repeatedly, making poor choices, is nothing to worry about ?


Wait, so now they are only "making poor choices"?  what happened to
Yadda wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 6:31am:
"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."


Why hasn't Indonesia executed any apostates then?  answer Yadda, are they either non-Muslims, or is your definition of a Muslim wrong?





Stratos,

1/ Moslems, within Indonesia, will have executed apostates.

2/ Is my definition of a moslem, wrong?

No, i don't believe so.





Stratos,

A moslem, .....is a moslem.






Stratos,

About 'moslems';


It is simple, Stratos,

There are only two questions that i need to answer, for me to have an understanding of 'what moslems are about';

Q. #1,
Who or what, is a moslem ?


A.
Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.





Q. #2,
What is a ISLAM ?




The moslem community wants 'peace' for Australia.    Honest!!!       Tongue

An ISLAMIC peace, for Australia, '.....Just like in muslim countries.'

as per expressed in the message of this cartoon...
...





A few random items about ISLAM;
from the archive #1,            [the links may be defunct, but the articles are all kosher]

Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html



from the archive #2,

Outspoken Muslim seeks police protection  [....err, from his fellow moslem 'bros']
By Barney Zwartz
March 22, 2007
One of Australia's most important Muslim leaders has sought police protection after criticising controversial cleric Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali.
Tom Zreika, president of the Lebanese Muslim Association - and Sheikh Hilali's employer - said he received non-stop phone threats yesterday after he released a document urging greater integration and for Muslims to "mend their ways".
The report, prepared for a national meeting of imams in Sydney this weekend, says some Muslims are "ruining it" for all and that Australians have "had enough" of Muslims.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/outspoken-muslim-seeks-police-protection/2007/03/21/1174153164032.html



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Reply #24 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:42pm
 
CONTINUED FROM LAST POST....

A few random items about ISLAM;
Its 'The Religion of Peace' folks!  ...honest!!  Tongue      #3,

06 May 2007
Mosque violence Tensions boil over after move to replace imam
Paul Maley
A BITTER factional feud within Canberra's Islamic community has erupted into violence with a leading member being punched repeatedly in the grounds of the mosque at Yarralumla.
Secretary of the ACT Islamic Society Kurt Kennedy said he was set upon shortly after announcing the appointment of a new imam to replace the controversial Mohammed Swaiti.
He was assaulted while waiting on the mosque grounds for a lift home after announcing Mr Swaiti had been dumped and naming the new imam as Yahya Atay.
......"When our secretary Kurt Kennedy announced ... the new imam will deliver the [Friday speech] before prayer, two people jumped up and grabbed Kurt and pushed him around," he told the Canberra Sunday Times.
"They pushed him and wanted to throw him out of the mosque.
"Then the imam [Mr Swaiti] started screaming in the middle of the mosque, 'I am the imam of this mosque! I am the imam who will service you people! I will never step down! No one can force me to step down! I will be here until the day I die!"'
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=general&story_id=582042&category=General

COMMENT;
ISLAM is a corrupt and corrupting criminal [by our laws] philosophy.
ISLAM creates 'moslems'.
moslems = = human sewage
ISLAM produces only [political] corruption, [political] oppression, injustice, human poverty, and, dead bodies.
The truth is that ISLAM is an evil philosophy, which, imo, 'creates' a mental pathology [a 'sickness'] in the psyche of those human beings who choose to embrace it.
And ISLAM is spread by moslems.



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Reply #25 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:43pm
 
CONTINUED FROM LAST POST....

A few random items about ISLAM;
from the archive #4,

Times Online      June 26, 2006
The roots of Islamism
Michael Gove
Islamists believe in the re-ordering of society to secure total submission to a narrow, puritan and fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. They are conducting a civil war within the Islamic world designed to overthrow existing regimes, which they consider to be unforgiveably apostate, and replace them with a single and unified Muslim state, the restored Caliphate. Islamists believe that the sanctity and culture of Muslim lands are menaced and defiled by Western influences, from capitalism to feminism, which have to be eradicated.
That cleansing process must be accomplished by suicidal violence, because, in the words of Islamism's most influential thinker, Sayyid Qutb, "the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
The bloodshed should not stop at Islam's current borders. Not just because those nations which are unIslamic constitute dar-al Harb, the House of War, which constantly threatens the security of the Muslim world. But also because Islamists are driven by a divine mission to ensure the whole earth, in due course, learns to submit to Islamist rule.
The belief that Islam's sovereignty over the whole globe is necessary and total was powerfully displayed on BBC TV's Newsnight in February 2006. Anjem Choudray, one of the leaders of the UK Islamist group al-Ghurabaa, rejected the suggestion that he might be happier pursuing his fundamentalist approach to religion and politics outside the secular and liberal political culture of the UK. England, he informed the viewers, "belongs to Allah".
[link] [See a debate with Anjem Choudray [mentioned in this article], on YOUTUBE, a short 1 min, 43 sec video.
Don't miss this very clear explanation of ISLAM's ambitions - here in the West !!!
link updated,
Muslims debate Sharia (Islam laws) over England - Sky News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOfU7wskFdg]
...The scale, scope and ambition of Islamist thinking is not hidden in any secret protocol or encoded in obscure scripture. It is proclaimed, freely and fully, in the speeches and broadcasts of Islamist ideologues from Osama bin Laden to Anjem Choudray and it is outlined in the extensive texts of the founding ideologues of Islamism [i.e. ISLAMIC world supremacy, as per, ISLAMIC 'scripture'] .
...It is a remarkable commentary on the state of analytical thinking in the West that when faced with mass-murderers, who loudly proclaim the ideological basis of their actions and prophesy victory on the basis of Western weakness, Western thinkers respond by denying the ideological motivation of their attackers and instead blame the West for stoking grievances.
...Jihadists today are not conducting a series of national liberation struggles which, if each were resolved, would lead to peace on earth and goodwill to all infidels. They are prosecuting a total war in the service of a pitiless ideology. It is only by appreciating that the enemy we face is a seamless totalitarian movement that we can begin to appreciate the scale of the challenge we must confront.
...It [ISLAM] is a specifically political movement which sees the answer to every social, cultural and moral problem in the implementation of a political programme derived from strict Islamic principles and imposed at the point of a sword. Islamism is not a campaign to restore piety through teaching, preaching and encouragement to private devotion. It is a revolutionary attempt to re-make society, by argument certainly, but also inevitably by force, in order to secure total submission to a uniquely austere and militaristic divinity.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8802-2243871,00.html




You got that straight now, Stratos ???





p.s.
Bobby, i'm still working on the wording of that one-liner.

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Reply #26 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:54pm
 
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Bobby, i'm still working on the wording of that one-liner.



That would be great.

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Reply #27 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 5:48am
 
That all you got Yadda, to prove that, quote Muslims=sewerage?

A few outspoken nutters and a punch up?  The pub on Friday night has worse things in it! 

Also, you are avoiding my question about our close neighbors.

Why has Indonesia, the worlds most populous Muslim country has never executed an apostate if what you believe about Islam is correct
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