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Reply #135 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:01am
 
Abbott is a narcissist.

Want to find some real conservatives? http://prospect.org/article/homeschool-apostates and see the damage conservatism does to people!
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Reply #136 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:06am
 
Why don't you use the hyperlink symbol (above the B) so that one can click on the URL and not have to cut and paste it into the browser?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #137 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:03am
 
Conservatism does not harm people you idiot Geoooorge.
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Our Platform…
                           Clear thinking, straight talking, and a “fair go” for all Australians.

     The Conservative Labour Party of Australia defines its CONSERVATISM as: a political philosophy advocating the preservation of the best of the established order in society and opposing radical change, or simply change for its own sake.  The Party recognises the majority “conservative” nature of Australians and as such sees Conservatism as the core tenet of the party.

     The Conservative Labour Party of Australia will govern for all Australians and will do so by putting Australia and Australians first, in all their deliberations.  It is time that ordinary Australians had a voice to represent them and their values, in Government. 

     The Conservative Labour Party of Australia will oversee a return to Australian values and a return to common-sense thinking and straight talking in and from Government.
     
     The Conservative Labour Party of Australia recognises the value of “Labour” in all its forms and seeks to ensure that their voice carries the same weight in decision making to that of other voices in the Australian community.  The party will strive to provide a “fair go” for all Australians, at all times.

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Reply #138 - Jan 19th, 2014 at 7:00pm
 
At dinner, a guest made an interesting observation; differences between Conservatives and Progressives can be seen in their reactions to risk. Progressives try to manage risk, while Conservatives try to deny it.

Certainly explains the Global Warming "debate".
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Reply #139 - Jan 19th, 2014 at 7:05pm
 
# wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
At dinner, a guest made an interesting observation; differences between Conservatives and Progressives can be seen in their reactions to risk. Progressives try to manage risk, while Conservatives try to deny it.

Certainly explains the Global Warming "debate".

Well that's just Progressive Bullshit isn't it...  one of their problems is their inability to accept dissent and mix with others outside their little group.
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Reply #140 - Jan 19th, 2014 at 7:08pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:06am:
Why don't you use the hyperlink symbol (above the B) so that one can click on the URL and not have to cut and paste it into the browser?  Roll Eyes

Poor poor poor little Naffy, has to actually drag—copy—paste. The sheer HARDSHIP of it!
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Reply #141 - Jan 19th, 2014 at 9:19pm
 
I'm happy with my own values being Conservative in nature.

I believe in low taxation, strong will to succeed and pro business minded, strong private sector in health and schools where user pays system provides best delivery.
I am anti nationalised companies because I think Governments are wasteful.

My view is you will spend your money much better than any Government will.
You want something, you should pay for it so lower taxes and give people more.

I never needed Governments to tell me what to do or provide me anything.
I think people should get out there and help themselves.
Conservatives encourage that. Others always want to help bloody low life's!!!
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Reply #142 - Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:41pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 9:19pm:
I'm happy with my own values being Conservative in nature.

I believe in low taxation, strong will to succeed and pro business minded, strong private sector in health and schools where user pays system provides best delivery.
I am anti nationalised companies because I think Governments are wasteful.

My view is you will spend your money much better than any Government will.
You want something, you should pay for it so lower taxes and give people more.

I never needed Governments to tell me what to do or provide me anything.
I think people should get out there and help themselves.
Conservatives encourage that. Others always want to help bloody low life's!!!

Just curious as to where I might find some of these conservative types as you describe.
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Reply #143 - Jan 19th, 2014 at 10:44pm
 
Those are my personal views which fit into the Conservative mantra.

I grew up in Mrs Thatcher's Britain - where conservative values brought the country back from being the sick old man of Europe to a bustling, wealthy place with people doing well.

As Reagan put it "The trouble with Socialism is that sooner or later, you run out of other people's money"
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Reply #144 - Jan 20th, 2014 at 8:45am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 9:19pm:
I'm happy with my own values being Conservative in nature.

I believe in low taxation, strong will to succeed and pro business minded, strong private sector in health and schools where user pays system provides best delivery.
I am anti nationalised companies because I think Governments are wasteful.

My view is you will spend your money much better than any Government will.
You want something, you should pay for it so lower taxes and give people more.

I never needed Governments to tell me what to do or provide me anything.
I think people should get out there and help themselves.
Conservatives encourage that. Others always want to help bloody low life's!!!


I agree, but your description sounds more like Australian liberalism to conservatism.

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Reply #145 - Jan 20th, 2014 at 9:02am
 
CONSERVATISM is...


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Our Platform…
                           Clear thinking, straight talking, and a “fair go” for all Australians.

     The Conservative Labour Party of Australia
defines its CONSERVATISM as: a political philosophy advocating the preservation of the best of the established order in society and opposing radical change, or simply change for its own sake. 
The Party recognises the majority “conservative” nature of Australians and as such sees Conservatism as the core tenet of the party.

     The Conservative Labour Party of Australia will govern for all Australians and will do so by putting Australia and Australians first, in all their deliberations.  It is time that ordinary Australians had a voice to represent them and their values, in Government. 

     The Conservative Labour Party of Australia will oversee a return to Australian values and a return to common-sense thinking and straight talking in and from Government.
     
     The Conservative Labour Party of Australia recognises the value of “Labour” in all its forms and seeks to ensure that their voice carries the same weight in decision making to that of other voices in the Australian community.  The party will strive to provide a “fair go” for all Australians, at all times.


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Reply #146 - Jan 20th, 2014 at 9:06am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 9:19pm:
I'm happy with my own values being Conservative in nature.

I believe in low taxation, strong will to succeed and pro business minded, strong private sector in health and schools where user pays system provides best delivery.
I am anti nationalised companies because I think Governments are wasteful.

My view is you will spend your money much better than any Government will.
You want something, you should pay for it so lower taxes and give people more.

I never needed Governments to tell me what to do or provide me anything.
I think people should get out there and help themselves.
Conservatives encourage that. Others always want to help bloody low life's!!!


I'm happy with my own values being Socialist in nature.

I believe in fair taxation and not dishonestly seeking to avoid paying tax at every turn, and that a co-operative minded community is far stronger and more prosperous then one that is fractured by the incessant conflicts inevitably brought on by the greedy few always insisting that they deserve more and that the rest deserve less. I believe in a strong well funded public universal health and education scheme where we all pay (user pays in the real sense of that expression) to deliver the best health and education outcomes for all instead of just for the privileged few. 

I am anti privatisation and pro govt enterprise because I believe that in comparison private enterprise is less innovative, less efficient, produces shoddy goods and services, conducts itself far more destructively, is incredibly wasteful and unaccountable and often is highly dependent on govt welfare in the form of govt  handouts, lower tax rates and copious tax lurks.

My view is that although you personally will spend your money much better than any Government will, businesses, especially since they're unaccountable to the rest of us, will always spend their money more wastefully then govts, only of course they can hide it better.  We want something, we have to work for it and then make sure that we get the benefit of the work we do instead of the cream and lions share of our work going to someone else. That way the profits go back to us instead of a few so that we pay less tax and give the people more.
We don't need these corporate Nannies to dictate our lives and tell us what to do. We can do it ourselves.
Socialists encourage that. Conservatives always want to help bloody low life's!!!
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Reply #147 - Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:17am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 8:45am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 9:19pm:
I'm happy with my own values being Conservative in nature.

I believe in low taxation, strong will to succeed and pro business minded, strong private sector in health and schools where user pays system provides best delivery.
I am anti nationalised companies because I think Governments are wasteful.

My view is you will spend your money much better than any Government will.
You want something, you should pay for it so lower taxes and give people more.

I never needed Governments to tell me what to do or provide me anything.
I think people should get out there and help themselves.
Conservatives encourage that. Others always want to help bloody low life's!!!


I agree, but your description sounds more like Australian liberalism to conservatism.



Yes, he's thinking of liberalism.
The conservatives and liberals have been bed fellows since 1945. So often the two get conflated.
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Reply #148 - Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:28am
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 9:02am:
CONSERVATISM is...


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     The Conservative Labour Party of Australia
defines its CONSERVATISM as: a political philosophy advocating the preservation of the best of the established order in society and opposing radical change, or simply change for its own sake. 
The Party recognises the majority “conservative” nature of Australians and as such sees Conservatism as the core tenet of the party.



In a nutshell, that is it.
If a tradition has been in place for hundreds, even thousands, of years, then obviously it has some value. This is even more the case if it doesn't take much convincing for people to follow a tradition. If they do it naturally or instinctively, then human beings obviously value the tradition in question.

There can be, and is, still change, but not change for the sake of change or revolution. The current "progressive" mindset appears to want to create "year zero". For them, all the past is evil and the cause of all the problems in the world. They believe if they can overturn the entire previously established order then the secular utopia can be created.

Moreover, because "progressives" dislike tradition, they rarely argue from principle. Having no fixed point to argue from ends up seeing them making the most hypocritical and contradictory statements. This is why they are anti-racist one minute, then making racial slurs the next. The same with gays. One minute they are pro-gay, then next they are badgering someone for being gay. It's a highly reactionary way to view the world. 
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Reply #149 - Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:33am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:28am:
If a tradition has been in place for hundreds, even thousands, of years, then obviously it has some value.



OK, this is completely dumb.  Especially while writing and reading, which for thousands of years was only the tradition of the elite.

Especially when writing on a computer too, over the internet, which would definitely not have happened if you has stuck to the thousands year old tradition of writing on paper/vellum/ not a computer.

I agree with the quote on what a conservative is, and myself actually agree with it.  Change for change's sake is pointless.
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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