polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20
th, 2013 at 7:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 20
th, 2013 at 12:23pm:
Even in western countries where we go to great effort to convict rapists and support victims, rape convictions still only scratch the surface of the actual incidence of rape. To assume that the opposite is true in Muslim countries, despite the culture of oppression and objectification of women (and yes, even jailing rape victims), is simply naive.
What you
seem to be insinuating, though you won't specifically say it, is that rape in the muslim world is at least as prevalent in the west, but probably more.
I would view it more as an obvious matter of fact, since
a woman has to come up with 4 witnesses to bring an allegation of rape against a man in Islam.
Otherwise face being imprisoned, like the Norwegian tourist that filed a complaint of rape in Dubai, and got sentenced to 16 months in jail, for fornication.
Anyone who goes on vacation, to any Islam controlled country, may perhaps also get what they asked for.
Rape in Islam
youtube.com/watch?v=V22qDQqMPL0
falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm
Bukhari B34, #432 Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?"
Bukhari B59 #459 Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "
We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq
and we received captives from among the Arab captives and
we desired women and celibacy became hard on us
and we loved to do coitus interruptus......"
Unless a person believes that a women would
desire to have sex with the men responsible for beheading their husbands, little sons, fathers and grandfathers, there is only one word for what they did to those women, and that word is rape.
Sura 33:50-51 - "
O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and
those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ... this only for thee, and not
for believers [at large]; we know what
we have appointed for them as to their wives and
the captives whom their right hand possess; - in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is oft-forgiving, most merciful...
Sahih Muslim: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.
Just doing what they can to do as their "messenger" Muhammad did:
"Eyewitness accounts detailing the [Muslim] militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five [Muslim] militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""
beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm
Why don't you take a break from the Islamic dissimulation and taqiyyah you are engaged in, and simply do a YouTube search like - rape sweden norway muslims
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20
th, 2013 at 8:55pm:
Just like I said in my previous post, you have precisely zero evidence about rates of spousal rape in muslim countries, so it is completely pointless bringing it up. I have no reason to suspect that the rates are any more than they are in the west.
From what is considered Islam's most "inspired" hadith collection:
Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged him to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.
thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-beating.htm