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Reply #60 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:15am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 12:01am:
The investigations have led to the resignation of Mr Patel as president of AFIC and as school board chairman


People responsible for financial mismanagement of tax dollars should resign.

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 12:01am:
Note that the article does not state, as you claim, that there were merely unresolved questions over the legitimacy of the $9 million dollars in 'fees'. Instead, they have been ordered to pay it back to the government.


No you misunderstood me. The fact that the money was wrongly transferred is not in doubt, and never was - that is why they were made to pay it back.  But that is entirely different to saying it was a deliberate rort. No one - not the auditors, neither state or federal government and certainly not The Australian - is saying it was a delberate rort. Thats entirely your spin.

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 12:01am:
They do not get to keep the money and figure out some other accounting tricks to deprive Muslim children of education funds.


You still haven't provided any sort of evidence that AFIC - as the landholder and administrator of the school - were not entitled to the rental and administration fees. Its likely they will still get the money from the school, just not from funds allocated by the state.
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Reply #61 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:27am
 
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Reply #62 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:29am
 
Thanks Herbert.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/latest/a/7008504/islamic-college-leader/

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Following a police raid on the Australian Islamic College, its founder, Abdullah Saad Magar, was found guilty of fraudulently claiming millions of dollars from the State and Federal governments, and was jailed for three years.


Now isn't that convenient, spelled out in black and white for everyone to see? Maybe now the resident Muslims and Islamic apologists will allow themselves to have an opinion on the matter.
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Reply #63 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:44am
 
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People responsible for financial mismanagement of tax dollars should resign.


Ooooh careful Gandalf. That's a bit harsh. Are you sure you should be saying such things without approval? Who told you that you could say "financial mismanagement"? Isn't "minor clerical errors" the PC term?

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No you misunderstood me. The fact that the money was wrongly transferred is not in doubt, and never was - that is why they were made to pay it back.


It was not "wrongly transferred" from the government. It was "wrongly transferred" (ie, defrauded/stolen) from the school to the AFIC. The school has to pay it back to the government because they were complicit in the fraud.

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But that is entirely different to saying it was a deliberate rort.


You'll have to explain for us the difference between "wrongly transferring" $9million from a children's school and fraud. I still don't see it.

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No one - not the auditors, neither state or federal government and certainly not The Australian - is saying it was a delberate rort. Thats entirely your spin.


No-one is saying it was accidental. That is entirely your own naive spin. Except you cannot bring yourself to actually say that, because it would be too absurd. The closest you can get is "not deliberate".

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You still haven't provided any sort of evidence that AFIC - as the landholder and administrator of the school - were not entitled to the rental and administration fees.


The guy responsible has resigned in humiliation. The school has had to pay back the money and may be shut down. Of course they were not entitled to it, except of course in the eyes of Muslims, who think that Muslims are entitled to do whatever they want with infidel money.

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Its likely they will still get the money from the school, just not from funds allocated by the state.


How will the school run without accreditation and without 80% of it's funding?
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Reply #64 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:05am
 
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Reply #65 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:18am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:29am:
Now isn't that convenient, spelled out in black and white for everyone to see? Maybe now the resident Muslims and Islamic apologists will allow themselves to have an opinion on the matter.


I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the Malek Fahd school in Sydney. I suppose one instance of criminal fraud at a school in WA makes islamic schools all over Australia guilty of the same right?  Tongue But then you did believe that 5 other NSW schools mentioned were somehow part of the Malek Fahd scandal.

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:44am:
It was not "wrongly transferred" from the government. It was "wrongly transferred" (ie, defrauded/stolen) from the school to the AFIC.


No, that is not clear at all. As I said, there is nothing to indicate that landholder and administrator of the school (AFIC) was not entitled to those fees. I have asked repeatedly for evidence to the contrary and you are silent on the matter.

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:44am:
No-one is saying it was accidental. That is entirely your own naive spin. Except you cannot bring yourself to actually say that, because it would be too absurd. The closest you can get is "not deliberate".


No, you don't "accidentally" pay the rent and administration fees to your landlord  Roll Eyes The question you have so spectacularly failed to address is a) was AFIC, as the landholder and administrator, entitled to those fees and b) was it deliberately paid out of government grants?

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:44am:
The guy responsible has resigned in humiliation. The school has had to pay back the money and may be shut down. Of course they were not entitled to it


All you are proving is that fees paid to AFIC - whether they were entitled to or not - were paid from the wrong account. Have you grasped the concept that as the landholder and administrator of the school AFIC might be entitled to some fees from the school yet?

Heads rolled, as they should have because of this mismanagement of public funds.

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:44am:
How will the school run without accreditation and without 80% of it's funding?


They are getting the funding and the accreditation. Read your article.
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Reply #66 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:49am
 
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I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the Malek Fahd school in Sydney.


There have been five different schools implicated. Hence the term "rampant fraud".

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I suppose one instance of criminal fraud at a school in WA makes islamic schools all over Australia guilty of the same right?


The fraud goes right to the top of the AFIC.

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But then you did believe that 5 other NSW schools mentioned were somehow part of the Malek Fahd scandal.


You tell me.

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No, that is not clear at all. As I said, there is nothing to indicate that landholder and administrator of the school (AFIC) was not entitled to those fees. I have asked repeatedly for evidence to the contrary and you are silent on the matter.


I gave you the evidence. Spelled out in black and white.
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Reply #67 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:49am:
The fraud goes right to the top of the AFIC.


Where does it say any other of the schools besides Malek Fahd is affiliated with AFIC?

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:49am:
I gave you the evidence. Spelled out in black and white.


No you didn't. Spend a little more time comprehending exactly what I was asking for.

Again, do you actually understand that a landholder who is leasing land out to a school may be entitled to fees from that school? Was $9 million an excessive amount for that? This is the question you need to answer.
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Reply #68 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:28pm
 
I don't have to answer it for you. It has already been answered. It was a rort, just like with the other Islamic schools. Your feeble attempts to excuse it show just how ingrained this is in Islamic culture, and why it took our national newspaper to expose it.

From Muhammed's own lips:

Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet said: “One who keeps the faults of a Muslim secret in this world, Allah will keep his faults in the Hereafter and Allah remains in the help of the (Muslim) man until he is in the help of his brother.” (Musnad Ahmad: 274/2)

Where are all the Muslim protestors demanding a proper education for their children? They are too busy demanding proof that the AFIC fraudsters are fraudsters.
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Reply #69 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:28pm:
I don't have to answer it for you.


Yes you do, you make the claim, now back it up.  Don' run away.

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:28pm:
Your feeble attempts to excuse it show just how ingrained this is in Islamic culture, and why it took our national newspaper to expose it.


How has anything Gandalf has said made you draw this conclusion?  This is a very illogical step in your argument.

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:28pm:
Your feeble attempts to excuse


No one will be excusing anything if they are found to be guilty of some kind of deliberate wrongdoing, but as at this stage they are only being investigated, I will withhold my judgement until some facts come to light.
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Reply #70 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:56pm
 
Their fraud has caused a loss in income of $9 million, or possibly even $18 million, from a Muslim school. It may still cause the closure of the school. You obviously don't have children there, because according to you everything is fine because they don't have a criminal record yet - unlike that other Islamic school from a few years back, where the criminal trial has already ended with guilty verdicts.

Move along people, nothing to see here....
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Reply #71 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 4:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:56pm:
unlike that other Islamic school from a few years back, where the criminal trial has already ended with guilty verdicts.


Whats this referring to?

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:56pm:
ou obviously don't have children there, because according to you everything is fine


Everything is not fine, everything is under investigation.  That however is not the same as guilty.  Also absolute lol at you pretending to care for these children.  Is that like a default option for you when you don't have any facts?

If this wasn't a Muslim school you would never have started a thread on it, and you are only looking to grasp at whatever desperate straws you can find to justify your xenophobia.  I'll wait and reserve judgement, but you go right ahead and proclaim the entirety of Islamic culture as corrupt and thievish without any proof.
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Reply #72 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 5:45pm
 
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Whats this referring to?


Last time you were going on about being found guilty of something. Herbert posted an article about just that. I copied a link and extract, on this page of this thread.

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Everything is not fine, everything is under investigation.


Not everything. Some investigations have concluded already, hence my point (which you ignored of course) that you seem far to eager to ignore the $9/18million deprived from the children's education fund.

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Also absolute lol at you pretending to care for these children.


I am highlighting the hypocrisy of Muslims. We have had Muslims right here on this forum claiming that Islam emphasises education. The reality is far different. Even when it is their own children being stolen from, all they have is excuses, as Islam demands.

Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet said: “One who keeps the faults of a Muslim secret in this world, Allah will keep his faults in the Hereafter and Allah remains in the help of the (Muslim) man until he is in the help of his brother.” (Musnad Ahmad: 274/2)

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If this wasn't a Muslim school you would never have started a thread on it


"A" Muslim school? There are five so far in the recent round, plus the one from WA that Herbert posted about that has had criminal convictions already. I don't know how many Muslim schools there are in Australia, but this would have to put a dent in them. Yet it is only non-Muslims making an issue out of it. All the muslims can do is offer excuses and tell people there is nothing to see here. Plus, it is not just Muslim schools, but the head of the peak representative body. It would be like the archbishop of cantebury stealing from children and being froced to resign and a large chunk of the UK anglican schools being closed or investigated and having to hand back their funding. Do you think the Anglicans would be as eager as the Muslims to offer excuses?

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I'll wait and reserve judgement


For what? Judgements have already been made. The $9million was defrauded and must be paid back.
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Reply #73 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:36pm
 
Dear O dear O dear ..... When will we ever see an end to this mischief?

Why are our politicians looking the other way so as to avoid having to do anything about it?

This is from Holland where the same Muslim moral delinquency is proving the stereotype.

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Investigations into the theft have revealed deep-rooted corruption and revisited previous dirty dealings at the Islamic school, the only Islamic secondary school in the country. In 2007, for instance, Ibn Ghaldoun’s directors were found to have used over €200,000 in government subsidies earmarked for books and local educational school outings to take 200 students and their families not, say, to the Rijksmuseum or Anne Frank House in Amsterdam, but to Mecca. To make matters worse, school administrators then created false receipts and invoices to cover up the misallocation of funds.


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Other money also appears to have been paid that same year to local imams not officially affiliated with the school, including the radical Khalil El Moumni, known, among other things, for regularly characterizing homosexuals as being “worse than pigs.”


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It isn’t only that several hundred of Rotterdam’s Muslim youth attend a school where lying and stealing is evidently the norm for the administration, creating an environment in which the basic values and principles of Western law and social values are dismissed and disregarded; and it isn’t only that the role model this establishes for these children is one that not only ignores Dutch law, but defies it. What is worse is that such lessons, according to the NRC Handelsblad, are actually taught directly: in a discussion with seven non-Muslim teachers from the school (all of whom claim to have taken jobs there in the hope of improving chances for underprivileged Muslim youth), reporter Andreas Kouwenhoven discovered that after-school “study groups” prove not to be study groups at all. Rather, one Ibn Ghaldoun teacher told him, “they were classes aimed at indoctrinating the children. The lessons were directed against Dutch culture: Girls should never marry a Dutch boy or a non-believer [non-Muslim].”


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Students threatening teachers. Teachers threatening students. Corruption in the classrooms, the hallways, and, eventually, becoming a national scandal – all part of daily life at an Islamic high school in Rotterdam. There, according to a recent article in Dutch daily NRC Handelsblad, non-Muslim teachers are pressured to pass failing Muslim students, while Muslim teachers hold secretive classes instructing their pupils on the evils of European culture.


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The consequences of all this are significant. The unemployment rate among the Dutch Muslim population, particularly among Moroccans, is 15 percent, versus 8 percent of non-Muslims. Far more live in poverty. These facts are frequently cited as reasons for the high rate of criminality in the Muslim (and especially Moroccan) community, and as proof that Muslims are discriminated against by non-Muslim employers. But the situation at the school suggests that the problems lie deeper, in a systemic, cultural approach to maneuvering through life and handling an adverse situation: the lying, the cheating, the threats.


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What’s more, failure to assimilate appears to come, then, not from discrimination or difficulties in adapting per se, but as a deliberate strategy promoted not just by radical imams in the mosques, but by the schools.


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Reply #74 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:01pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 4:36pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:56pm:
unlike that other Islamic school from a few years back, where the criminal trial has already ended with guilty verdicts.


Whats this referring to?

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 3:56pm:
ou obviously don't have children there, because according to you everything is fine


Everything is not fine, everything is under investigation.  That however is not the same as guilty.  Also absolute lol at you pretending to care for these children.  Is that like a default option for you when you don't have any facts?

If this wasn't a Muslim school you would never have started a thread on it, and you are only looking to grasp at whatever desperate straws you can find to justify your xenophobia.  I'll wait and reserve judgement, but you go right ahead and proclaim the entirety of Islamic culture as corrupt and thievish without any proof.


Bingo stratos.

If it was a non Muslim school nobody would be talking about it.
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