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Re: Debt ceiling explained
Reply #30 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 12:34pm
 
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Fifty days out from the May Budget, it is clear that Labor’s Budget preparations are in chaos.

Instead of putting together a Budget, Labor is duct-taping together a ministry.  Its focus is on survival rather than on developing and implementing good policy.

After five years of debt and deficits, Australians need and deserve a return to competent economic management.

Australia needs a responsible, honest Budget that doesn’t cook the books, doesn’t engage in class warfare and ensures that Australia once again lives within its means.

The Budget can either continue Labor’s history of debt, deficits, waste, tax increases and broken promises or it can set a new course for our country.

The Coalition will judge Labor’s Budget against five critical tests:

1.      Is the Budget based on honest and credible assumptions – or will it continue the dishonest paper shuffles and the ‘cook-the-books’ culture of recent years?

2.      Does it demonstrate a speedy path back to surplus in 2013-14 by cutting waste – or will Labor continue on with its profligate spending?

3.      Does it bring debt under control – or will Labor again increase the debt ceiling above its current $300 billion?

4.      Does it rule out new tax grabs such as further new taxes on superannuation?

5.      Does it detail how Labor will pay for its big spending initiatives like Gonski and the NDIS?

The Coalition wants the coming Budget to demonstrate a credible path back to surplus in 2013-14.  This year's deficit is Labor's 11th in a row.  This is in contrast to the Coalition which delivered surpluses in 10 of the last 11 budgets it has delivered.

We also want to see credible and achievable forecasts.  Australia can't afford another year of Labor ‘cooking the books’ and the inevitable blowout that follows.  This year there is a deficit rather than the promised surplus, last year there was a $21 billion blowout and in the year before there was a $7 billion blowout.

These budget failures have resulted in a massive blow-out in Australia’s debt and more than $7 billion a year in interest payments.  There has been a bigger increase in debt over Labor’s first four budgets, in dollar terms and as a share of GDP, than over any other four-year period at least since 1970, when the historical data published in modern Budget papers begin.

We should not see another increase in Australia’s $300 billion debt limit. The limit has already increased in just a few short years from $75 billion, to $200 billion, to $250 billion, and then only last Budget to $300 billion.

Labor has squandered the good financial management of the Howard Government that paid off the debt and left Australia with assets in the bank.

The path back to surpluses, debt reduction and a strong, prosperous economy must be through cutting wasteful spending, rather than on increasing taxes or introducing new ones.

About half of all the “saves” Labor has claimed in Budgets and Mid-Year reviews over the past few years have actually been tax increases – and in the most recent Mid-Year Review, just last October, this fraction was higher still at over 80 per cent.

Instead of hitting Australians and Australian businesses with yet more new taxes, the Government needs to address the fact that it is currently spending almost $100 billion a year more than in the last year of the Howard Government.

Labor has a spending problem, not a revenue problem – with the Mid-Year Review projections showing revenue this year expected to be over $70 billion higher than at the end of the Howard Government, and with Budget data for the first seven months of this financial year showing revenues up by almost 5 per cent relative to the same period in the previous financial year.

Australia must live within its means.  Labor’s debt and deficits have left Australia more vulnerable to an economic shock and mean less protection in the event of a financial crisis.

The Coalition has a plan for a strong, prosperous economy and that means ensuring that our children are not burdened by unfairly high taxes and left with a heavy debt.

http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/03/25/tony-abbott-joint-press-release...


The Coalition have changed the rhetoric on many issues since the election.....This is just another example of saying one thing and doing another!!!

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Re: Debt ceiling explained
Reply #31 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 1:06pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2013 at 12:34pm:
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Fifty days out from the May Budget, it is clear that Labor’s Budget preparations are in chaos.

Instead of putting together a Budget, Labor is duct-taping together a ministry.  Its focus is on survival rather than on developing and implementing good policy.

After five years of debt and deficits, Australians need and deserve a return to competent economic management.

Australia needs a responsible, honest Budget that doesn’t cook the books, doesn’t engage in class warfare and ensures that Australia once again lives within its means.

The Budget can either continue Labor’s history of debt, deficits, waste, tax increases and broken promises or it can set a new course for our country.

The Coalition will judge Labor’s Budget against five critical tests:

1.      Is the Budget based on honest and credible assumptions – or will it continue the dishonest paper shuffles and the ‘cook-the-books’ culture of recent years?

2.      Does it demonstrate a speedy path back to surplus in 2013-14 by cutting waste – or will Labor continue on with its profligate spending?

3.      Does it bring debt under control – or will Labor again increase the debt ceiling above its current $300 billion?

4.      Does it rule out new tax grabs such as further new taxes on superannuation?

5.      Does it detail how Labor will pay for its big spending initiatives like Gonski and the NDIS?

The Coalition wants the coming Budget to demonstrate a credible path back to surplus in 2013-14.  This year's deficit is Labor's 11th in a row.  This is in contrast to the Coalition which delivered surpluses in 10 of the last 11 budgets it has delivered.

We also want to see credible and achievable forecasts.  Australia can't afford another year of Labor ‘cooking the books’ and the inevitable blowout that follows.  This year there is a deficit rather than the promised surplus, last year there was a $21 billion blowout and in the year before there was a $7 billion blowout.

These budget failures have resulted in a massive blow-out in Australia’s debt and more than $7 billion a year in interest payments.  There has been a bigger increase in debt over Labor’s first four budgets, in dollar terms and as a share of GDP, than over any other four-year period at least since 1970, when the historical data published in modern Budget papers begin.

We should not see another increase in Australia’s $300 billion debt limit. The limit has already increased in just a few short years from $75 billion, to $200 billion, to $250 billion, and then only last Budget to $300 billion.

Labor has squandered the good financial management of the Howard Government that paid off the debt and left Australia with assets in the bank.

The path back to surpluses, debt reduction and a strong, prosperous economy must be through cutting wasteful spending, rather than on increasing taxes or introducing new ones.

About half of all the “saves” Labor has claimed in Budgets and Mid-Year reviews over the past few years have actually been tax increases – and in the most recent Mid-Year Review, just last October, this fraction was higher still at over 80 per cent.

Instead of hitting Australians and Australian businesses with yet more new taxes, the Government needs to address the fact that it is currently spending almost $100 billion a year more than in the last year of the Howard Government.

Labor has a spending problem, not a revenue problem – with the Mid-Year Review projections showing revenue this year expected to be over $70 billion higher than at the end of the Howard Government, and with Budget data for the first seven months of this financial year showing revenues up by almost 5 per cent relative to the same period in the previous financial year.

Australia must live within its means.  Labor’s debt and deficits have left Australia more vulnerable to an economic shock and mean less protection in the event of a financial crisis.

The Coalition has a plan for a strong, prosperous economy and that means ensuring that our children are not burdened by unfairly high taxes and left with a heavy debt.

http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/03/25/tony-abbott-joint-press-release...


The Coalition have changed the rhetoric on many issues since the election.....This is just another example of saying one thing and doing another!!!

Huh Huh Huh



The problem is that Labor virtually "Abbott-proofed" so many policies and scheme's that it is almost impossible for him to end or change them. Nearly all of them are partially funded, unfunded or funded by ripping money from other programs. So the only way for Abbott to pay the bills is to borrow more until Hockey can get on top of things and start paying off Labor's colossal debt. It took Howard/Costello 11 years to pay off Keatings' relatively small debt, so how many decades do you think it'll take to pay this latest Labor debt off? I reckon we'll be lucky if it's paid off by the time I retire in 30 years from now.
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Re: Debt ceiling explained
Reply #32 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 4:29pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 7th, 2013 at 10:09am:
Q) How log does it take to, "turn the Queen Mary around"?

A) ?      
                 


Well, it seems there are no Financial experts willing to make a guess.

In fact, the answer can be encompassed in the following words -
It depends on the actual circumstances!

In reality, it does take quite some time & distance, to turn the Queen Mary, "in normal circumstances" and the same usually applies to Economics.

That said, these are not "normal circumstances", they are actually "once in history circumstances" and the fact is that neither the Liberals or Labor have any idea, why things are happening, nor what they should be doing.

But, casting an enormous shadow over everything, is that they are both still rushing headlong at their own short term interests & those of their supporters, instead of concentrating on what should be the only game in town and that is the Best, Long term interests of all Australians!
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Re: Debt ceiling explained
Reply #33 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 4:40pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 7th, 2013 at 10:15am:
Tony Abbott is a bare faced liar who is no better than Gillard.

I hope Labor will remind him of his lie every day just as
the Libbos reminded Gillard of her lie every day.


It is now on record.


Tony has lied.
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Re: Debt ceiling explained
Reply #34 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 4:52pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 6:08pm:
Prior to 2007 - there was no debt ceiling

After Rudd came to power - through their mismanagement - decide to instal a debt ceiling of $150B

This debt ceiling was meant to assure the voters that Labor's mismanagement would not exceed $150B

$300B worth of Labor mismanagement later....

Now the LIBs discovered that we need close to $500B to actually fix Labor's stupidity

And Labor is somehow angry at this???


Two wrongs don't make a right. If there's an argument to be made, it should stand on it's own merit. Appealing to the childish bipolarity of popular political culture is disingenuous. I don't know enough about the budget to know whether it really matters if we have a debt cieling. If noone else is doing it anymore, they must be onto something. It seems to me that the current trend is running everything into the ground or selling it to the Chinese. There must be something on the horizon.
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