Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 ... 6
Send Topic Print
Why Labor will win the next federal election (Read 4134 times)
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Why Labor will win the next federal election
Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:09am
 
...in my opinion anyway.

First and foremost, last election was a rejection of the dysfunctional labor government, not an endorsement of the coalition as an alternative government.

Secondly, labor have already renewed and given the public a 'fresh slate' - far more quickly than I think anyone predicted. This is in no small part to Kevin Rudd's recent announcement that he will retire. With both Gillard and Rudd gone, Labor under Shorten is already making great strides as projecting themselves as "reborn out of the ashes" - helped greatly by the fact that all but one senior minister retained their seat. In addition, the largely theatrical "grassroots" leadership ballot was a propaganda coup for labor IMO - even though the "grassroots" was overruled - it has helped (rightly or wrongly) re-image labor as more transparent, less factionalised, and less beholden to the "faceless men" - basically the number one thing that the public hated about labor during Gillard's term.

Thirdly, and ironically, after the years of negative campaigning and three word sloganeering, Tony Abbott may have created a media trap for himself. No opposition leader has better utilized the 24 hour media cycle than Tony Abbott - but this is already coming back to bite him. Its not just that his rhetoric while in opposition on boats, budget and debt are at odds with what he is doing on those issues now that he is in government, but the new 'frenzied' media culture that he created, is only too willing to shine the spotlight on these inconsistencies. And the best thing for labor, is that Tony Abbott gets shown in a negative light, while not even having to be the negative ones.

I'm not saying the coalition government will be particularly bad, or that they will be making complete howlers, but rather the atmosphere at the last election was more about getting rid of a government - not about providing a great opportunity for the coalition - once in government - to prosper at it. Basically, the cards had been stacked against a successful Abbott government even before the election, and this has only been enhanced by the successful rehabilitation of the labor party as a viable alternative government.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
cods
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 88048
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:45am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:09am:
...in my opinion anyway.

First and foremost, last election was a rejection of the dysfunctional labor government, not an endorsement of the coalition as an alternative government.

Secondly, labor have already renewed and given the public a 'fresh slate' - far more quickly than I think anyone predicted. This is in no small part to Kevin Rudd's recent announcement that he will retire. With both Gillard and Rudd gone, Labor under Shorten is already making great strides as projecting themselves as "reborn out of the ashes" - helped greatly by the fact that all but one senior minister retained their seat. In addition, the largely theatrical "grassroots" leadership ballot was a propaganda coup for labor IMO - even though the "grassroots" was overruled - it has helped (rightly or wrongly) re-image labor as more transparent, less factionalised, and less beholden to the "faceless men" - basically the number one thing that the public hated about labor during Gillard's term.

Thirdly, and ironically, after the years of negative campaigning and three word sloganeering, Tony Abbott may have created a media trap for himself. No opposition leader has better utilized the 24 hour media cycle than Tony Abbott - but this is already coming back to bite him. Its not just that his rhetoric while in opposition on boats, budget and debt are at odds with what he is doing on those issues now that he is in government, but the new 'frenzied' media culture that he created, is only too willing to shine the spotlight on these inconsistencies. And the best thing for labor, is that Tony Abbott gets shown in a negative light, while not even having to be the negative ones.

I'm not saying the coalition government will be particularly bad, or that they will be making complete howlers, but rather the atmosphere at the last election was more about getting rid of a government - not about providing a great opportunity for the coalition - once in government - to prosper at it. Basically, the cards had been stacked against a successful Abbott government even before the election, and this has only been enhanced by the successful rehabilitation of the labor party as a viable alternative government.



most things on here are OPINIONS..that all..

I could not agree less that labor have been rehabilitated  I think I have heard everything now..

if shorty and Co are your idea of a forceful opposition god help you..

he hasnt got a prayer sorry to disappoint you.. but he is like bad wallpaper.. you just dont look..which mean you dont listen either

will he do the damage anything like what rudd/gillard/rudd mk11 did.. personally he wont get a chance.. but he will prove the right.. correct..

he is a nobody..he has a bad history..he stumbles and fumbles he looks like he is in shock most of the time..

the only stack for the Abbott govt is the INCOMPETENCE and LIES left by the previous govt..simple as that..


Krudd didnt have a hiccupwhen he won...

he was left with a stable economy and NO DEBT and no HIDDEN SURPRISED>> LIKE SPYING ON PMs WIVES>>to deal with..

so lets try and be a little fair and maybe a little patient..and stop blaming the media make your own choices..

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE WE ARE BETTER OFF FOR KNOWING ABOUT THE SPYING ON MOBILE PHONES?????????????????..

what did the ABC AND THE GUARDIAN ACHIEVE do you think? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

did you believe that was good MEDIA REPORTING???

a lot of complaints on here regarding News Ltd.. but havent seen one complain from the left about this episode in fact I think they have all enjoyed it..
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bam
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21905
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:53am
 
It is too early to make predictions about the result of the next election, but the occasional opinion poll that puts the ALP in front suggest that it's not impossible. Rudd's choosing to leave politics will be particularly helpful to the ALP's future chances.

How both sides perform over the next three years will decide their fate. Early on, the Coalition are faltering in their handling of foreign relations and their perceived breaking of an election promise, while the ALP have so far run reasonably well. But the race to the next election is a marathon, not a sprint, and we still have 92% or so of the race to run.
Back to top
 

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
IP Logged
 
Kat
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Socialism IS the answer.

Posts: 17709
Everywhere and no-where
Gender: female
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #3 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:57am
 
The way these rubberdicks are (under)performing so far, all Labor would have to do to win is to turn up.
Back to top
 

...
 
IP Logged
 
Bam
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21905
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #4 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:02pm
 
The electorate doesn't have buyer's remorse. Yet.

Quote:
The backflip on education funding makes one wonder if the Abbott government believes it has some good will to spend. It hasn't, writes Barrie Cassidy.

(Excerpt)
Quote:
They all do it. They always have. Political parties make all sorts of promises and give guarantees in the run up to elections in order to push aside troublesome issues.

They know full well they might have to renege, and they'll pay a price down the track. But they also see in the middle distance, the spoils of office, and they can't help themselves.

Julia Gillard's such moment was when she promised there would be no carbon tax "under a government I lead".

She did go on to say that Labor intended to put a price on carbon and move to an emissions trading scheme. But no matter. It was branded a tax; Gillard ducked the pedantic argument; and the mother of all broken promises took flight.

Now, just three months into its first term, the Abbott Government has inexplicably gone down the same path.

The Education Minister, Christopher Pyne, has walked away from a key election pledge to embrace the previous government's school funding arrangements.

Is there a better issue to give Bill Shorten, as he tries to build his profile and his popularity, than education funding?
Back to top
 

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
IP Logged
 
matty
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 11055
East Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:09pm
 
Blah, blah blah. You lefties were telling us that we didn't have a chance when Rudd came back, and that he would defeat Abbott hands down. Remember the 'smell the fear' line that you all pulled? How did that turn out for you?  Grin
And before that, you said that the polls would turn around, Gillard would win and Abbott was unelectable.  Grin
Back to top
 

BILL SHORTEN WILL NEVER BE PM!!!!
 
IP Logged
 
matty
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 11055
East Sydney
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #6 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:11pm
 
Kat wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:57am:
The way these rubberdicks are (under)performing so far, all Labor would have to do to win is to turn up.


How about the debt, deficit, carbon tax lie and illegal boat people coming in by the thousand? It doesn't matter what you say Kat, you are a Labor hack, and you were never going to give the Coalition a chance, no matter what they did/do.
Back to top
 

BILL SHORTEN WILL NEVER BE PM!!!!
 
IP Logged
 
skippy.
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 20882
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #7 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:13pm
 
matty wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
Kat wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:57am:
The way these rubberdicks are (under)performing so far, all Labor would have to do to win is to turn up.


How about the debt, deficit, carbon tax lie and illegal boat people coming in by the thousand? It doesn't matter what you say Kat, you are a Labor hack, and you were never going to give the Coalition a chance, no matter what they did/do.

Yes dear, what do you think about the women bashers lie about our kids education sweety?
Back to top
 

  freedivers other forum- POLITICAL ANIMAL
Click onWWW below 
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Stratos
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4725
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #8 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:26pm
 
matty wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
illegal boat people


This is wrong.

Stop being wrong Matty
Back to top
 

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #9 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:56pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:53am:
It is too early to make predictions about the result of the next election, but the occasional opinion poll that puts the ALP in front suggest that it's not impossible. Rudd's choosing to leave politics will be particularly helpful to the ALP's future chances.

How both sides perform over the next three years will decide their fate. Early on, the Coalition are faltering in their handling of foreign relations and their perceived breaking of an election promise, while the ALP have so far run reasonably well. But the race to the next election is a marathon, not a sprint, and we still have 92% or so of the race to run.

Agree with most of the sentiments but it's over 95% left to run.
Labor have so far failed to show they've actually learned anything from their defeat.
So they are leaving any run late by the looks and it appears to me at least, with those in charge, they are not likely to have learned anything nor will they change before the next election.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #10 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:58pm
 
Do what I do matty ignore stratos...  illegal is the correct term even the UN state such...  the difference is that if they claim asylum you aren't supposed to prosecute the illegality.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Dumb UN convention, written for another time.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Stratos
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4725
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #11 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:07pm
 
Hows this, you tell me what crime they are guilty of of, and I'll stop getting annoyed at you all for lying?

And no, illegal is not the correct term, that is "irregular maritime arrival"

EDIT:  missed the change, they are indeed called "illegal maritime arrivals" now thanks to the new government.  They are still wrong, and are not guilty of any crime
Back to top
« Last Edit: Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:13pm by Stratos »  

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #12 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:10pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:09am:
...in my opinion anyway.
yep...


First and foremost, last election was a rejection of the dysfunctional labor government,
yep...
not an endorsement of the coalition as an alternative government. 
Your opinion yet again
  Grin

Secondly, labor have already renewed and given the public a 'fresh slate'
really? where?
- far more quickly than I think anyone predicted.
In your opinion... 
Grin  This is in no small part to Kevin Rudd's recent announcement that he will retire. With both Gillard and Rudd gone, Labor under Shorten is already making great strides
really? where?
as projecting themselves as "reborn out of the ashes" -
reborn as a rehash of what they were...  no change is no change...
Roll Eyeshelped greatly by the fact that all but one senior minister retained their seat.
Like I said a rehash...
In addition, the largely theatrical "grassroots" leadership ballot was a propaganda coup for labor IMO -
yep...  your opinion
Roll Eyeseven though the "grassroots" was overruled  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  - it has helped (rightly or wrongly) re-image labor as more transparent, less factionalised, and less beholden to the "faceless men" - basically the number one thing that the public hated about labor during Gillard's term.
Really?  Now you are having yourself on.  Gillard betrayed the public big time.  Rudd was a narcissistic sociopath and you are happy that the man that put them both in is now in charge?
Grin Cheesy

Thirdly, and ironically, after the years of negative campaigning and three word sloganeering,
propaganda...
Tony Abbott may have created a media trap for himself.
Nope...
No opposition leader has better utilized the 24 hour media cycle than Tony Abbott -
Rudd did...  how soon we forget... 
  but this is already coming back to bite him.
Nope... or have you missed the lack of selfies and 24 hour media tarting by this PM as opposed to Rudd?
  Its not just that his rhetoric while in opposition on boats, budget and debt are at odds with what he is doing on those issues now that he is in government,
really?
Cheesy but the new 'frenzied' media culture that he created,
he created????  you really are having a lend of yourself now aren't you...
is only too willing to shine the spotlight on these inconsistencies.
The LW media which is most of the Australian media is out to get Abbott or haven't you been listening and watching...
And the best thing for labor, is that Tony Abbott gets shown in a negative light,
The LW media have always presented Abbott in a negative light...  it's been Abbott, Abbott, Abbott for years now...
while not even having to be the negative ones.

I'm not saying the coalition government will be particularly bad, or that they will be making complete howlers, but rather the atmosphere at the last election was more about getting rid of a government - not about providing a great opportunity for the coalition - once in government - to prosper at it. Basically, the cards had been stacked against a successful Abbott government even before the election, and this has only been enhanced by the successful rehabilitation of the labor party as a viable alternative government.
In your opinion... 
  Grin Grin Grin

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
LaQuinn
Full Member
***
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 195
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #13 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:19pm
 
At the moment the only real shot that Labor will have of winning the next election is if Abbott still remains leader and continues to act the way he does, but that being said the Labor party has to pick up their game A LOT.

Rant:
When people like Gillard and Abbott became leaders of their sides it became blatantly obvious that our standards of leadership have dropped.
On one hand we have Gillard known for her famous line of
"There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead"
And on the other we have Tony "the suppository of all wisdom" Abbott, who can hardly string a  sentence together, some of his famous lines include
"yes ummmm that is.... errrr, ummm I'll see errrrr."
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male
Re: Why Labor will win the next federal election
Reply #14 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 1:23pm
 
matty wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
Kat wrote on Nov 29th, 2013 at 11:57am:
The way these rubberdicks are (under)performing so far, all Labor would have to do to win is to turn up.


How about the debt, deficit, carbon tax lie and illegal boat people coming in by the thousand? It doesn't matter what you say Kat, you are a Labor hack, and you were never going to give the Coalition a chance, no matter what they did/do.

1951 Refugee Convention "The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who..."
yep illegals matty just like the UN said.
...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 ... 6
Send Topic Print