Stratos wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 3:34pm:


Evidence yes, but the Stratos Method filters all inconvenient evidence away. Are you sure you aren't Michael Mann slumming it online? The methodology seems familiar.

Stratos wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 7:38am:


Apostle John was an eye-witness. Peter was an eye-witness who wrote his own epistles and Mark wrote his book based on Peter's words.

But the problem is that the Stratos Method unilaterally dismisses this because you have a spiritual problem with God and so take it out on anyone and anything else that challenges you. I am not going to debate you because this is not my first turn a bat on this topic. It is a worthless exercise to debate a person who will always change the rules to suit his argument or set the evidence bar so high that his own existence could be disputed.

I would enjoy a spirited debate or discussion on spiritual matters, but if it is proof you are seeking, you will never find it. However, if it is God you are seeking, then you cannot but fail to find Him.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 7:58am:




My understanding is that the majority of scholars don't actually believe John wrote it, instead a community with links to John wrote it and that it seems to be in three layers, with the last addition in 90 AD

mariacostel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:02am:


Maria, you will find most scholars agree that there is no contemporary evidence for Jesus.  The earliest sources we have are anonymous, and written decades after the events they depict. 

That is not an eyewitness account.  Maria I will ask you again, because you tried to dodge it the last few times:

Stratos wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 7:38am:


Your original claim being that there were eyewitnesses to Jesus life.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 11:35am:


OK, first, Peter.  What evidence do you have to suggest Peter wrote an eyewitness account of Jesus life.

Secondly, remembering that John was given that name in the second century, and is an anonymous document that hundreds of years of research have been unable to provide an author to, what evidence do you have that the apostle John wrote an eyewitness account to Jesus life.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 11:35am:


My response is purely historical, as should yours be when making historical claims about figures from antiquity.  This sounds like a cop out because you don't have any evidence to present.

Edit:  Just for substantiation purposes, I suggest you look up Against Heresies by Irenaeus.  This is the oldest known work that suggests authorship to the gospels, and was written close to the end of the 2nd Century.

It's also a rather interesting read, looking back at it from modern times.  A lot of fascinating similarities to modern religious squabbles.

Stratos wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 11:44am:



And you are avoiding commenting on my observation about your motives.  Curious.  By once again, absence of hard proof is not proof of error. Particularly when the author of John claims to be an eyewitness.

Stratos,  I assume that you are basing your views on this book (and website)

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

The question is - why would anyone bother putting together such a website?

What exactly is the point of being Anti-Christian? (apart from the fact that New Atheists seem to revel in the idea)

Stratos wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 3:51pm:



It really is a pointless exercise debating this with you because it all boils down to the exact same thing. NO EVIDENCE is ever enough for you and never will be. And because we cant point to a youtube video (which you'd debunk anyhow) you throw everything away. Both John and Peter were eyewitnesses and wrote accordingly.  Do you believe it? No - and frankly, I don't care because NOTHING would ever convince you. Historians - actual professionals - dont have your problem. POssibly because they dont expect to find forensic levels of proof for everything. And the Stratos Method is so named because only you use it.

The only one being fooled is you.


PS Pilate is a historical myth. So is Herod.