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Cats and dogs are halal
Oct 16^th, 2013 at 3:06pm

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Syrians told to eat dogs and cats as video shows starving children in Damascus

Muslim clerics in Syria have issued a fatwa permitting people to eat cats, dogs and donkeys, as graphic new footage shows the effects of malnutrition on starving children caught up in the country's civil war.

The ruling has been broadcast from mosques in besieged areas on the outskirts of Damascus.

Much of the area is under the control of rebels, triggering daily bombardments from government forces trying to win it back.

Government forces have also tried to block food and other relief supplies getting through.

The clerics say it is a cry for help to the whole world, adding that if the situation continues to deteriorate, the living could have to eat the dead.
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The drastic measure comes as Muslims around the world mark the Eid al-Adha holiday, sharing festive meals.

For Muslims, Eid is a time for children to receive new clothes and play with friends after sharing a festive meal with their families.

But in some areas of Damascus, children have died from severe malnutrition and activists say food has all but run out, with doctors lacking the means to treat their patients.

"Of course there is no Eid for the children here," activist Abu Malek said in Moadamiyet al-Sham, a suburb south-west of Damascus.

"For them, Eid will come when they see a plate of rice and bulgur."

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/starving-syrians-told-to-eat-cats2c-dogs-a...

Interesting when you consider that muslims regard dogs as unclean (not as unclean as the kaffir). Muslims consider donations to Syrian muslims by kaffirs as being halal but still regard kaffirs as unclean.

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Re: Cats and dogs are halal
Reply #2 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 7:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

So why are they in this state, is it another sectarian battle between rival sects of Islam that has been going on since the battle of the camel?

I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim, the death toll in Syria,Pakistan,Iraq,Bahrain from sectarian differences in the last few decades proves that is a myth.

We could pick a side to back and bomb the other side into submission or we could mock and ridicule them hoping they will wake up and stop slaughtering each other which would you prefer we do?

As for dogs we consider them to be mans best friend,they can be trained to do fantastic things, if you lock your wife and dog in the boot of your car which one do you think will be happy to see you when you open it?

As for dogs what does Islam say about them Gandalf?
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Allah's messenger ordered that the dogs should be killed.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/59/129

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The messenger of allah commanded that dogs be killed, then he said-
What do they use dogs for?
Then he permitted them to keep hunting dogs.
www.sunnah.com/urn/1273060

For some reason Mo did not like black dogs, perhaps he was a racist
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The prophet of allah ordered to kill dogs, afterwards he forbade to kill them saying :confine yourselves to the type which is black.
www.sunnah.com/abudawud/17/3

Do Islamic laws come from a wise all knowing god or some fraud an imposter a charlatan who was making it up as he went along?

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Reply #3 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

No Western infidel has been involved in the production of this particular horrific Muslim civil war.

The horrific state these Muslim people are facing is entirely the making of ...er... these Muslim people. Considering the last 20 (or 1400) years during which Muslims have inflicted bloody mayhem on the West in the name of Islam, it is perhaps permissible to sit back and point out that THIS time, Muslims are inflicting bloody mayhem on themselves, pretty much for identical motivations, and to point out how smacking ridiculous they have been all along when claiming some bogus victim status at the hands of the West.

In short, you have nobody but yourselves to blame for Syria. You can't pin it on anyone but yourselves.
Will you wear it or own it?
Not in a million years. Your victim status, like the Koran, is unalterable (until the Final Solution Submission)

You may well hang on to your victim status, like the last refuge of latter day Muslim scoundrels, because you have absolutely no credibility to hang on to.i

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Reply #4 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:19pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

As for dogs what does Islam say about them Gandalf?

Good point Baron. these people are in such a diabolic situation that they are desperate enough to eat what is otherwise considered unfit to eat - what a wonderful opportunity to sneer and jeer at them right?

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

The horrific state these Muslim people are facing is entirely the making of ...er... these Muslim people.

Of course they are. Muslims do buggered up things to muslims - do you want a smacking medal for this brilliant observation S?

For once can we think of the humanity? People are suffering unspeakable horror here, and I think its simply despicable for you people to use this as an opportunity to mock these poor people and say "hahahaha - stupid muslims are starving, and they're eating dogs now - ROFL"

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Reply #5 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

As for dogs what does Islam say about them Gandalf?

Good point Baron. these people are in such a diabolic situation that they are desperate enough to eat what is otherwise considered unfit to eat - what a wonderful opportunity to sneer and jeer at them right?

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

The horrific state these Muslim people are facing is entirely the making of ...er... these Muslim people.

Of course they are. Muslims do buggered up things to muslims - do you want a smacking medal for this brilliant observation S?

For once can we think of the humanity? People are suffering unspeakable horror here, and I think its simply despicable for you people to use this as an opportunity to mock these poor people and say "hahahaha - stupid muslims are starving, and they're eating dogs now - ROFL"

Who would want a world-wide Muslim ummah, seeing what Muslims do to each other for no good reason?

You are blind, Gandy - your entire Islamophobe, Muslim victimhood meme (can I used that or have you copyrighted the term?) is shot to pieces in Syria by Muslims!!!

Islam's credibility has been massacred in Syria for the last 2 years for all the useful idiots who have been holding out since September 11, 2001. You have no excuse any more, Islam is just not smacking peaceful. Face it. You have been knowingly peddling a barefaced lie about all that.

There is FVCKALL special or exceptional or otherwise exclusive about Islam. You are as flawed as everyone else. Islam is no smacking royal road to anything.

So submitting to Islam is for idiots. You might as well submit to a bus timetable.

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Reply #6 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:53pm

Is it strawman night tonight Soren?

Save your breath - its the wrong meme to the wrong person.

I blame muslims entirely for the tragedy in Syria. I blame the foreign salafists and their Saudi and Qatari masters - illegitimate regimes that need to be wiped off the face of this earth. You're picking a fight with the wrong person.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't defend or apologise for muslims for whats happening in Syria - they are entirely to blame. But on the same token, I also won't stand by while the victims of these salafist scum are sneered and jeered at by holier-than-thou spectators like Baron and salad-in - just because they are starving so much that they are prepared to eat what otherwise would be considered unclean.

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Reply #7 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more.

Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace???

What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country?

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Reply #8 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:32pm

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more.

Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace???

What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country?

Same one the English brought. Same one the Irish brought, Soren. It's not as if we have no experience of sectarian conflict in Australia. Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

Is it strawman night tonight Soren?

Save your breath - its the wrong meme to the wrong person.

I blame muslims entirely for the tragedy in Syria. I blame the foreign salafists and their Saudi and Qatari masters - illegitimate regimes that need to be wiped off the face of this earth. You're picking a fight with the wrong person.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't defend or apologise for muslims for whats happening in Syria - they are entirely to blame. But on the same token, I also won't stand by while the victims of these salafist scum are sneered and jeered at by holier-than-thou spectators like Baron and salad-in - just because they are starving so much that they are prepared to eat what otherwise would be considered unclean.

gandalf,

Interesting.

That you are prepared to demonstrate, to put on public display in this forum, your irrationality.

[...and yet you are unable to acknowledge that irrationality, to yourself.]

What irrationality ???

gandalf concedes,

"I blame muslims entirely for the tragedy in Syria...."

And yet, you refuse to acknowledge the REAL relationship, between ISLAM, and the despicable behaviour of moslems, in the world.

You refuse to acknowledge, that it is ISLAM, that is responsible for the violent, immoral behaviour of moslems.

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Reply #10 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

Is it strawman night tonight Soren?

Save your breath - its the wrong meme to the wrong person.

I blame muslims entirely for the tragedy in Syria. I blame the foreign salafists and their Saudi and Qatari masters - illegitimate regimes that need to be wiped off the face of this earth. You're picking a fight with the wrong person.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't defend or apologise for muslims for whats happening in Syria - they are entirely to blame. But on the same token, I also won't stand by while the victims of these salafist scum are sneered and jeered at by holier-than-thou spectators like Baron and salad-in - just because they are starving so much that they are prepared to eat what otherwise would be considered unclean.

Don't tell me that this is another case of the peaceful, law-abiding majority being once again inexplicably dominated by the tiny minority of Jewish, Western, atheist, salafists who sprung up from god-knows-where, are a tiny minority and yet set the agenda once again for the vast sea of Muslims??

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin', right?

Victimhood, innit.

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Reply #11 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more.

Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace???

What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country?

Same one the English brought. Same one the Irish brought, Soren. It's not as if we have no experience of sectarian conflict in Australia. Roll Eyes

Really? You are aware of comparable Anglo-Irish conflicts since 1788? There has been even remotely comparable sectarian conflict in Australia?

Do tell us about them because they are not in the books.

As an academic, you must have superior insight no?

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Reply #12 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 11:41pm

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more.

Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace???

What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country?

Same one the English brought. Same one the Irish brought, Soren. It's not as if we have no experience of sectarian conflict in Australia. Roll Eyes

Really? You are aware of comparable Anglo-Irish conflicts since 1788? There has been even remotely comparable sectarian conflict in Australia?

Do tell us about them because they are not in the books.

As an academic, you must have superior insight no?

Before ~1960, Australian society was riven by sectarian and racial division, primarily between the descendants of the Anglican English and the Catholic Irish. Apart from the revolt of Vinegar Hill in 1798 and the anti-Conscription referenda and riots of WWI, it never flared into open warfare but the level of discrimination was high. It caused the split of the ALP several times (Conscription in WWI, the DLP in the 1950s). It was often most evident in the fields of Education and the Public Service. Catholic Schools received no government funding whereas Anglican Schools did. In the (primarily State but not exclusively so) Public Service, it was impossible for Catholics to rise beyond base grades. It was also evidence on the streets where gangs of kids from opposing schools often confronted each other on the basis of their religion.

Then it all faded away. Barely remembered by most Australians. That of course doesn't mean it didn't exist, Soren. It did. My own father, a Catholic was a victim of it in the 1950s. As for it "not being in the books", I'd recommend reading Thomas Kenneally's "The Indelible Stain" which is an exploration of the Catholic experience in Australia. The ABC has made several documentaries on the issue of State Aid to Catholic Schools in the 1960s. This is the website of one of them.

So, Soren, as I pointed out, it's not as if sectarian conflict is exactly alien to Australian society... Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:48am

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

Don't tell me that this is another case of the peaceful, law-abiding majority being once again inexplicably dominated by the tiny minority of Jewish, Western, atheist, salafists who sprung up from god-knows-where, are a tiny minority and yet set the agenda once again for the vast sea of Muslims??

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin', right?

Victimhood, innit.

You'd just love me to say the complete opposite to what I'm actually saying wouldn't you?

Muslims are to blame for this mess - namely the foreigners that the fake Saudi and Qatari regimes are pumping in with the specific aim of destabilizing the once stable secular nation.

But that is not the topic of the discussion - the topic here is about mocking starving people for being "hypocritical" for preferring to save themselves by eating what would otherwise be considered unclean.

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Reply #14 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 9:24am

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"Muslim clerics in Syria have issued a fatwa permitting people to eat cats, dogs and donkeys,..."

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:48am:

....the topic here is about mocking starving people for being "hypocritical" for preferring to save themselves by eating what would otherwise be considered unclean.

gandalf,

The topic of this thread is NOT about mocking starving people.

The lack of integrity, displayed by moslems,

is the topic of this thread.

And you, gandalf [like every moslem], you, are blind your own infidelity.

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Allah's PERFECT law

declares that dogs are Haram [forbidden] creatures.

And so, to the moslem, dogs are Haram [forbidden], "....FOREVER AND EVER, Allah Akbar!!!!"

"Dogs?

They are filthy creatures!!!! SPit, spit!!!! Allah Akbar!!!!"

Dogs, are;
Haram [forbidden] today, Halal tomorrow.

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ISLAM = = Mohammedanism

A moslem is a follower of Mohammed.

Q.
What was Mohammed's example, to moslems ???

A.

Mohammed was a 'man for all seasons'.

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Read the Hadith, in the Hadith, Muhammad reveals his 'nature'.

He reveals himself to be an oath breaker, and 'a man for all seasons'.

".....By Allah, and Allah willing, if I take an oath and later find something else better than that. then I do what is better and expiate my oath.' " "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.067.427

"......If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.089.260

In the following Hadith, Mohammed himself sets the example, for the use of deceit,

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369

And in following Mohammed's example, every moslem too, is a 'man for all seasons'.

A moslem will tell any lie.

A moslem will break any covenant.

A moslem will lay down, with any whore.

And why so ?

Because moslems are Kuffar [infidel = = infidelity].

Dogs;
Haram [forbidden] today, Halal tomorrow.

A moslem would not know integrity, if it bit him on the ar se.

see also....

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0

see also....

Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295407319/0#0

see also....

re 'Our prophet, our honour'

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1348892179/68#68
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In my experience, moslems only 'understand' what is pertinent to the moment.

Moslems are 'men for all seasons'.

i.e.
"Which way is the wind blowing today ?"

IMO, moslems will always wait for a 'favourable' wind, before they 'reveal' themselves.

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

bukhari/ #004.052.269

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