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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #90 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 7:53am
 
Silly question really, of course we need a military.

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Reply #91 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 8:01am
 
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"I believe a study was conducted discreetly as to the capabilities of Indonesian attack against Australia. It concluded that Indonesia could cause massive damage against towns and cities in the north of Australia, but would be repelled before it could get to Cairns, Townsville, and Perth, etc. Secondly, Indonesia wouldn't be able to fund longterm an attack on Australia,"


This claim prompts the obvious question, HOW?

Where are the attack bases sites, what range has her assets?  Are they only fighter aircraft or long range bombers?  What models are available?  Is there a ship borne invasion expected?  How is that invasion going to be mounted.  Where? How will it be re-supplied?

My BS Detector just went off!


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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #94 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 8:23am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 11:03pm:
Except for Malaya and Borneo, Herbie.  Then there was East Timor, not much "behesting" from the USA on that one either.


These had absolutely nothing to do with us. None of these foreign bun-fights posed the slightest threat to Australia's security and our continuing success as a First World nation in a sea of Third World warlordships.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 11:03pm:
Then there were various UN commitments and of course our own in The Solomons.  Not much interest or involvement in most of those, Herbie.   Roll Eyes


So-called 'commitments' to the UN have never been ratified by the Australian people through a referendum, and therefore they lack legitimacy and are null and void so far as the bulk of the Australian public is concerned.

Every last 'commitment' signed by our politicians with the UN are agreements in which Australia is never the beneficiary, but always the benefactor. Endless Foreign Aid, and a 'commitment' to populate our suburbs with people who are unassimilable for the reason that Islam commands primary loyalty and is intolerant of its congregation marrying outsiders who refuse to convert.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 11:03pm:
Our involvement in Afghanistan came about because of our then over-zealous Prime Minister, John Howard who wanted to leap onto the George W. Bush bandwagon and prove that Australia was with the USA, rather than agin the USA.


Under any other PM the result would have been precisely the same. Our sending troops has always been to keep up our payments for US protection should Australia ever come under threat from our northern neighbours.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 11:03pm:
 The US had right on it's side when it declared war against Afghanistan.  The Taliban government had refused to hand over Usama bin Laden, which the US had demanded because of his involvement in the 11 September attacks.   It made good sense to help, both from our own geo-political viewpoint and our alliance responsibilities with the USA.


The decision to mount a military invasion of Afghanistan proved to be yet another pratfall that made the Americans look like incompetent fools ~ and us with them.

Ten years after the invasion, and Osama bin Laden was still at large and giving instructions via his satellite phone.

Yet another epic fail by the Yanks and their utterly pathetic intelligence services.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 11:03pm:
And you are, Herbie a troll and a fool.  A retreat into isolationism is guaranteed to fail.   Roll Eyes


Any troops sent overseas for military adventures should be strictly on a volunteer basis.
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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #95 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 8:29am
 
Herbert,

"Any troops sent overseas for military adventures should be strictly on a volunteer basis."



ANY person who signs up now is a VOLUNTEER for service as required.  His application is not accepted otherwise.  We do NOT have Conscription!    Our grandchildren certainly understood that.

And we do not have referendums for all the decisions made by our ELECTED representatives in Canberra.  They are charged with running the country,  and yoy cannot have a referendum every time a decision comes up.

You would have chaos.


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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #96 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:11am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 7:41am:
I would prefer that didn't happen to Australia; we have security obligations to our neighbours, how about we at least try to meet them
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We owe them FA.

Our cities and suburbs already look like a foreign country due to decades of immigrating people from the Third World who bear no physical resemblance to us, and who identify first with their own ethnic community, and then to their Muslim religion.

Australians are rapidly being turned into strangers in their own land due to 'commitments' to UN treaties NOT to discriminate, and to import people bolus-bolus from all parts of the world regardless of whether or not they are compatible with the Australian mainstream.
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Reply #97 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:26am
 
We don't need a large defense force if we organize an arms reduction treaty with our neighbours.

Why has my point been lost in this thread?

You all sound like war mongers.
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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #98 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:37am
 
Old Codger wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 8:29am:
And we do not have referendums for all the decisions made by our ELECTED representatives in Canberra.


You're off with the fairies again. Hearing voices. Nobody has said a referendum should be held to decide every issue. 

Old Codger wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 8:29am:
They are charged with running the country,


Wrong.

The Faceless bureaucrats ~ (100 for every politician) ~ are the ones charged with the mechanics of running the country.

The politicians are there to represent the will of the people, and to translate this into law and into policy. It is NOT their job to 'lead', but to do the bidding of Majority Opinion in the community.

I once worked in a factory where the supervisor told us to no longer think of him as our 'boss' and 'supervisor' ~ but that his new title (as decided by the management) was as our 'facilitator' and 'consultant'.

The politicians in Canberra are our servants. They are not our masters. They are civil servants elected to parliament for the purpose of representing the wishes of the people.


Old Codger wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 8:29am:
and yoy cannot have a referendum every time a decision comes up.

You would have chaos.


Rabid nonsense.

On matters of vital importance to the people of Australia it's a no-brainer that a referendum should be held.

Both Hawke and Frazer later admitted that they didn't hold referendums on respective issues because they already knew the public would vote against the government.

In other words they robbed the Australian public of its democratic right to decide on issues that were of fundamental importance to the ordinary man in the street.

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #99 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:39am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:26am:
We don't need a large defense force if we organize an arms reduction treaty with our neighbours.

Why has my point been lost in this thread?

You all sound like war mongers.


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Agreed!

We should all agree to beat our swords into plowshares and live in peace with our neighbours for evermore.
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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #100 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:43am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:39am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:26am:
We don't need a large defense force if we organize an arms reduction treaty with our neighbours.

Why has my point been lost in this thread?

You all sound like war mongers.


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Agreed!

We should all agree to beat our swords into plowshares and live in peace with our neighbours for evermore.



Thank you.

Peace is possible through dialogue.
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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #101 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 11:22am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:11am:
BigOl64 wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 7:41am:
I would prefer that didn't happen to Australia; we have security obligations to our neighbours, how about we at least try to meet them
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We owe them FA.

Our cities and suburbs already look like a foreign country due to decades of immigrating people from the Third World who bear no physical resemblance to us, and who identify first with their own ethnic community, and then to their Muslim religion.

Australians are rapidly being turned into strangers in their own land due to 'commitments' to UN treaties NOT to discriminate, and to import people bolus-bolus from all parts of the world regardless of whether or not they are compatible with the Australian mainstream.



Please don't reply to my posts in future, that was too much stupid for one day.


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Reply #102 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 11:24am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:26am:
We don't need a large defense force if we organize an arms reduction treaty with our neighbours.

Why has my point been lost in this thread?

You all sound like war mongers.




Actually your point was pointless


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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #103 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 11:59am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:43am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:39am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:26am:
We don't need a large defense force if we organize an arms reduction treaty with our neighbours.

Why has my point been lost in this thread?

You all sound like war mongers.


Grin

Agreed!

We should all agree to beat our swords into plowshares and live in peace with our neighbours for evermore.



Thank you.

Peace is possible through dialogue.


And if that doesn't work, we can always beat our plowshares into swords ... and use BigOl64 as a Human Shield as we advance upon the enemy.  Tongue
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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #104 - Oct 20th, 2013 at 1:15am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 7:25am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 10:48pm:
Do you really want to aim a nuclear weapon at that waste of time of a country? It would be a waste of nuclear weapon.


Except, of course, the rulers of this dark patch on the face of nighttime planet Earth have nuclear missile capability already installed and partly funded by Western Foreign Aid ...


Really, Herbie?  You of course have evidence to back that assertion?  Oh, sorry, that's right this is Herbie who never presents any evidence...   Roll Eyes

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This is why we need a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier with a missile delivery system aboard that could position itself off the South Korean coast for the purpose of intercepting and destroying any missiles sent our way by the psychopaths who live in La La Land above the 38th parallel...


Aircraft carriers rarely carry much in the way of missile systems (unless they're Russian  Wink ).  They rely upon other ships, escorting them which are part of their task force, Herbie to provide protect against ballistic missile threats.

As for the DPRK wasting missiles on Australia, I cannot imagine why they'd bother.  Their missiles will be aimed for where they will be most effective, and in the following order of priority - ROK, Japan and then the USA.   The handful they have, won't be fired towards a country which is only a remote threat to their own.
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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