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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #45 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Old Codger wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Yes, i knew about SEATO. I was only giving it as an example of a SEA treaty.

I cannot for the life of me imagine ANY country entering into a 'Mutual Defence Treaty with us, and then stand back and watch us disarm. Least of all the USA.

The suggestion is insane!

OC

Would that be because of corporations making so much money
out of selling arms?

Indonesia will have 180 of the latest Russian fighter planes if we do nothing.
What's the solution?

I know - the Yanks can sell us lots of arms too. Cheesy

It's called an arms race.

Got any firm references to that number, other than from your pet Indian Journalist? What you should be saying, Bobby is, "Indonesia might get 180 of the previous generation Russian fighter planes." You are aware that Su-30s are actually obsolescent?

Actually - according to this article Indonesia has changed their minds:

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20120809/175090713.html

This older article says 180 jet fighters from Russia.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2599072/posts

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #50 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:18am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Old Codger wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Yes, i knew about SEATO. I was only giving it as an example of a SEA treaty.

I cannot for the life of me imagine ANY country entering into a 'Mutual Defence Treaty with us, and then stand back and watch us disarm. Least of all the USA.

The suggestion is insane!

OC

Would that be because of corporations making so much money
out of selling arms?

Indonesia will have 180 of the latest Russian fighter planes if we do nothing.
What's the solution?

I know - the Yanks can sell us lots of arms too. Cheesy

It's called an arms race.

Got any firm references to that number, other than from your pet Indian Journalist? What you should be saying, Bobby is, "Indonesia might get 180 of the previous generation Russian fighter planes." You are aware that Su-30s are actually obsolescent?

Actually - according to this article Indonesia has changed their minds:

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20120809/175090713.html

Gee, really? How unsurprising. So, they're going to purchase a lot less than the 180 you claimed. Funny that. Now didn't I say they'd never be able to sustain 180 fighters? Looks like I was right. Funny that... Roll Eyes

Even more amusing, they're opting for second-hand F-16s. So much for the superiority of Russian aircraft, Bobby... Roll Eyes

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #51 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:28am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Old Codger wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Yes, i knew about SEATO. I was only giving it as an example of a SEA treaty.

I cannot for the life of me imagine ANY country entering into a 'Mutual Defence Treaty with us, and then stand back and watch us disarm. Least of all the USA.

The suggestion is insane!

OC

Would that be because of corporations making so much money
out of selling arms?

Indonesia will have 180 of the latest Russian fighter planes if we do nothing.
What's the solution?

I know - the Yanks can sell us lots of arms too. Cheesy

It's called an arms race.

Got any firm references to that number, other than from your pet Indian Journalist? What you should be saying, Bobby is, "Indonesia might get 180 of the previous generation Russian fighter planes." You are aware that Su-30s are actually obsolescent?

Actually - according to this article Indonesia has changed their minds:

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20120809/175090713.html

Gee, really? How unsurprising. So, they're going to purchase a lot less than the 180 you claimed. Funny that. Now didn't I say they'd never be able to sustain 180 fighters? Looks like I was right. Funny that... Roll Eyes

Even more amusing, they're opting for second-hand F-16s. So much for the superiority of Russian aircraft, Bobby... Roll Eyes

I didn't know that they had changed their mind.
It's not my fault.
Shooting the messenger again.

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #52 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:46am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:28am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Old Codger wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Yes, i knew about SEATO. I was only giving it as an example of a SEA treaty.

I cannot for the life of me imagine ANY country entering into a 'Mutual Defence Treaty with us, and then stand back and watch us disarm. Least of all the USA.

The suggestion is insane!

OC

Would that be because of corporations making so much money
out of selling arms?

Indonesia will have 180 of the latest Russian fighter planes if we do nothing.
What's the solution?

I know - the Yanks can sell us lots of arms too. Cheesy

It's called an arms race.

Got any firm references to that number, other than from your pet Indian Journalist? What you should be saying, Bobby is, "Indonesia might get 180 of the previous generation Russian fighter planes." You are aware that Su-30s are actually obsolescent?

Actually - according to this article Indonesia has changed their minds:

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20120809/175090713.html

Gee, really? How unsurprising. So, they're going to purchase a lot less than the 180 you claimed. Funny that. Now didn't I say they'd never be able to sustain 180 fighters? Looks like I was right. Funny that... Roll Eyes

Even more amusing, they're opting for second-hand F-16s. So much for the superiority of Russian aircraft, Bobby... Roll Eyes

I didn't know that they had changed their mind.
It's not my fault.
Shooting the messenger again.

No, Bobby I am pointing out that what you claimed was wrong and what I said was right. You appear to take this all so personally. Are you always this defensive when you find out you were mistaken? Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #53 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 2:46am

|dev|null wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Do we really need a defence force?

Do you really need to go on Craigslist for a date?

We have sweet bugger all army, navy, and airforce as it is. It isn't like these guys have been bored for the past 40 years. What if we have an incident that the local and federal police can't handle. You will be wondering what happened to our defence force that allowed Muhammad Allahu Ackbah and his merry band of hobo-looking men the chance to machine gun infidel school children during play time. But that would be quickly answered when you look in the mirror.

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #54 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:59am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:28am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Old Codger wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Yes, i knew about SEATO. I was only giving it as an example of a SEA treaty.

I cannot for the life of me imagine ANY country entering into a 'Mutual Defence Treaty with us, and then stand back and watch us disarm. Least of all the USA.

The suggestion is insane!

OC

Would that be because of corporations making so much money
out of selling arms?

Indonesia will have 180 of the latest Russian fighter planes if we do nothing.
What's the solution?

I know - the Yanks can sell us lots of arms too. Cheesy

It's called an arms race.

Got any firm references to that number, other than from your pet Indian Journalist? What you should be saying, Bobby is, "Indonesia might get 180 of the previous generation Russian fighter planes." You are aware that Su-30s are actually obsolescent?

Actually - according to this article Indonesia has changed their minds:

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20120809/175090713.html

Gee, really? How unsurprising. So, they're going to purchase a lot less than the 180 you claimed. Funny that. Now didn't I say they'd never be able to sustain 180 fighters? Looks like I was right. Funny that... Roll Eyes

Even more amusing, they're opting for second-hand F-16s. So much for the superiority of Russian aircraft, Bobby... Roll Eyes

I didn't know that they had changed their mind.
It's not my fault.
Shooting the messenger again.

No, Bobby I am pointing out that what you claimed was wrong and what I said was right. You appear to take this all so personally. Are you always this defensive when you find out you were mistaken? Roll Eyes

My information came from this article which was recent:

Why Australia should scratch the F-35 and fly Sukhois

April 8, 2013 Rakesh Krishnan Simha.

The latest information from the link above was August 9th 2013.

I was the one who found the latest information not you.

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The reason, according to the Business Spectator is: “Indonesia plans to buy an incredible 180 of the Russian/Indian Sukhoi fighters, almost certainly including the PAK-FA T-50 and Su-35S. So the question is not whether the JSF is better than the outdated Hornet, but whether it is better than Indonesia’s Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA T-50 and Su-35S.

http://indrus.in/blogs/2013/04/08/why_australia_should_scratch_the_f-35_and_fly_...

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #55 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 7:09am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:28am:

I didn't know that they had changed their mind.
It's not my fault.
Shooting the messenger again.

So you are saying it is not your fault that you, don't do any valid research before formulating and expressing an opinion?

I think BR has every right to 'shoot the messenger', that is the whole point of us taking the time to point out that your lack of research skills and higher comprehension has you stating extremely erronous 'facts' from like minded feebs

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #56 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 7:11am

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 7:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 12:28am:

I didn't know that they had changed their mind.
It's not my fault.
Shooting the messenger again.

So you are saying it is not your fault that you, don't do any valid research before formulating and expressing an opinion?

I think BR has every right to 'shoot the messenger', that is the whole point of us taking the time to point out that your lack of research skills and higher comprehension has you stating extremely erronous 'facts' from like minded feebs

I was the one who found the latest information -
which may or may not be true.

You should thank me for keeping you up to date.

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #57 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 7:13am

WS,

"We have sweet bugger all army, navy, and airforce as it is.'

Certainly not as good as what they could be or should be, but I would MUCH prefer to be the defending general in Australia, than the attacking general in Indonesia.

I have said before here, NEITHER country can take on the other and hope to succeed. The task is simply too big! Indonesia has 13,000 islands, and we have 3 million square miles of very dry dirt.

And waffling on about fighter aircraft is a bit pointless.

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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #58 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 7:21am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 6:59am:

My information came from this article which was recent:

Why Australia should scratch the F-35 and fly Sukhois

April 8, 2013 Rakesh Krishnan Simha.

The latest information from the link above was August 9th 2013.

I was the one who found the latest information not you.

Quote:

The reason, according to the Business Spectator is: “Indonesia plans to buy an incredible 180 of the Russian/Indian Sukhoi fighters, almost certainly including the PAK-FA T-50 and Su-35S. So the question is not whether the JSF is better than the outdated Hornet, but whether it is better than Indonesia’s Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA T-50 and Su-35S.

http://indrus.in/blogs/2013/04/08/why_australia_should_scratch_the_f-35_and_fly_...

Jeez using information based on the personal opinions of non-military internet bloggers and you found out it was wrong.

Who could have saw that coming. Grin

Here's a hint stop believe sh1t from people who know less that diddly about the subject matter ie frriggen bloggers

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