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Reply #15 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:19pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

We have an insurance policy already, its called ANZUS. We should take out another with the new rising superpower, our largest trading partner, the PRC.

We don't need a defence force, we need a beefed up police force, a Gendarmie. One that can deal with the occasional criminal incidents that require something more than the Constable on the Beat. The rest of the time we just don't need super fighters, tanks, warships, etc. They exist purely to stroke the egos of the politicians and the generals! Cheesy

You mean like the treaty we had during WWII? Where the poms said 'bugger you, were busy'?

When push comes to shove you just cannot rely on anyone else.

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Reply #16 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:26pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

We have an insurance policy already, its called ANZUS. We should take out another with the new rising superpower, our largest trading partner, the PRC.

We don't need a defence force, we need a beefed up police force, a Gendarmie. One that can deal with the occasional criminal incidents that require something more than the Constable on the Beat. The rest of the time we just don't need super fighters, tanks, warships, etc. They exist purely to stroke the egos of the politicians and the generals! Cheesy

You mean like the treaty we had during WWII? Where the poms said 'bugger you, were busy'?

When push comes to shove you just cannot rely on anyone else.

What we really need is an arms reduction treaty in South East Asia.
Maybe a 10% reduction every year & of course verifiable.

That way all the countries could save a lot of money on defense.

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Reply #17 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

We have an insurance policy already, its called ANZUS. We should take out another with the new rising superpower, our largest trading partner, the PRC.

We don't need a defence force, we need a beefed up police force, a Gendarmie. One that can deal with the occasional criminal incidents that require something more than the Constable on the Beat. The rest of the time we just don't need super fighters, tanks, warships, etc. They exist purely to stroke the egos of the politicians and the generals! Cheesy

You mean like the treaty we had during WWII? Where the poms said 'bugger you, were busy'?

When push comes to shove you just cannot rely on anyone else.

What we really need is an arms reduction treaty in South East Asia.
Maybe a 10% reduction every year & of course verifiable.

That way all the countries could save a lot of money on defense.

arms reductions? After years of arms reductions in the USA and Russia, the two countries STILL have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet 10 times over. Arms reductions are only good if you have more arms then anyone else to start with.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111593 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Do we really need a defence force? Reply #18 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:35pm John, an arms reduction treaty is still a good idea. Without one the Yanks/Russians would have had enough to blow up the world 100 times over. It's quite sick that we ever got to that state. We now have an arms race in SEA which must be stopped. The answer is not to spend more but less money via a treaty.
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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #19 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:41pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

We have an insurance policy already, its called ANZUS. We should take out another with the new rising superpower, our largest trading partner, the PRC.

We don't need a defence force, we need a beefed up police force, a Gendarmie. One that can deal with the occasional criminal incidents that require something more than the Constable on the Beat. The rest of the time we just don't need super fighters, tanks, warships, etc. They exist purely to stroke the egos of the politicians and the generals! Cheesy

Your argument is that we don't need an ADF

When someone points out it's like an insurance against getting pummeled.

You state that we have ANZUS - ignoring the fact that to be part of ANZUS we need to have the ADF

Then you crap on about not needing an ADF again

It's just smacking embarassing to read Angry

Might I suggest you troll a subject that you at least have a modicum of knowledge about, this one is way, way beyong your limited comprehension skills

Run away little boy this is for adults only, Grin

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Old Codger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 547 Melbourne. Gender:	Re: Do we really need a defence force? Reply #20 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:46pm If Australia had no defence force, we would have NO 'ANZUS Treaty. Do you think the Yanks are stupid? ...and how would it have been if the japs had been in New Guinea UNOPPOSED? OC
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Reply #21 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

John,
an arms reduction treaty is still a good idea.

Without one the Yanks/Russians would have had
enough to blow up the world 100 times over.
It's quite sick that we ever got to that state.

We now have an arms race in SEA which must be stopped.
The answer is not to spend more but less money via a treaty.

A treaty?

Which one country do you think the treaty should be with?

And then what about the other countries, do want more treaties or are you hoping they won't step into the power void left behind by us and this other country dis-arming ourselves.

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Reply #22 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:28pm

Old Codger wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

If Australia had no defence force, we would have NO 'ANZUS Treaty.

Do you think the Yanks are stupid?

...and how would it have been if the japs had been in New Guinea UNOPPOSED?

OC

Then was then, now is now. I can find nothing in the text of the ANZUS treaty that claims we must maintain military forces.

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Reply #23 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:34pm

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

John,
an arms reduction treaty is still a good idea.

Without one the Yanks/Russians would have had
enough to blow up the world 100 times over.
It's quite sick that we ever got to that state.

We now have an arms race in SEA which must be stopped.
The answer is not to spend more but less money via a treaty.

A treaty?

Which one country do you think the treaty should be with?

And then what about the other countries, do want more treaties or are you hoping they won't step into the power void left behind by us and this other country dis-arming ourselves.

Who said one country?
I meant all SEA countries to get together & sign a common treaty
to reduce spending on arms - which is verifiable!

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Old Codger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 547 Melbourne. Gender:	Re: Do we really need a defence force? Reply #24 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:42pm SEATO?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111593 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Do we really need a defence force? Reply #25 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:46pm Old Codger wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:42pm: SEATO? That has been disbanded. Maybe APEC could get it started: http://www.apec.org/about-us/about-apec/member-economies.aspx All we are saying is give peace a chance.
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Old Codger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 547 Melbourne. Gender:	Re: Do we really need a defence force? Reply #26 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:36pm Yes, i knew about SEATO. I was only giving it as an example of a SEA treaty. I cannot for the life of me imagine ANY country entering into a 'Mutual Defence Treaty with us, and then stand back and watch us disarm. Least of all the USA. The suggestion is insane! OC
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Re: Do we really need a defence force?
Reply #27 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:50pm

Old Codger wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Yes, i knew about SEATO. I was only giving it as an example of a SEA treaty.

I cannot for the life of me imagine ANY country entering into a 'Mutual Defence Treaty with us, and then stand back and watch us disarm. Least of all the USA.

The suggestion is insane!

OC

Would that be because of corporations making so much money
out of selling arms?

Indonesia will have 180 of the latest Russian fighter planes if we do nothing.
What's the solution?

I know - the Yanks can sell us lots of arms too. Cheesy

It's called an arms race.

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Reply #28 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

John,
an arms reduction treaty is still a good idea.

Without one the Yanks/Russians would have had
enough to blow up the world 100 times over.
It's quite sick that we ever got to that state.

We now have an arms race in SEA which must be stopped.
The answer is not to spend more but less money via a treaty.

A treaty?

Which one country do you think the treaty should be with?

And then what about the other countries, do want more treaties or are you hoping they won't step into the power void left behind by us and this other country dis-arming ourselves.

Who said one country?
I meant all SEA countries to get together & sign a common treaty
to reduce spending on arms - which is verifiable!

Hold hands and sing cumbaya, that should get the ball rollin

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Reply #29 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Old Codger wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

If Australia had no defence force, we would have NO 'ANZUS Treaty.

Do you think the Yanks are stupid?

...and how would it have been if the japs had been in New Guinea UNOPPOSED?

OC

Then was then, now is now. I can find nothing in the text of the ANZUS treaty that claims we must maintain military forces.

So?

I'm surprise more people don't discount you as functionally retarded, I know I have

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