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Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:05am
 
How often do we let others be wrong?  Do we need to correct people and make them see their mistakes??   

In Richard Carlsons book - Don't Sweat the Small Stuff... he has a chapter called : Let Others be RIGHT Most of the Time.

In reality he is saying let others have their opinion even if we believe it to be wrong.  He also speaks of making peace with imperfection. 

Interesting and challenging.  I will give it a go but not at the disposal of my own self esteem and freedom of thought.

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Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:08am
 
Letting others be wrong is good advice.


Stupid people are always trying to prove they arent stupid, and you belittle them by correcting them.

When I hear something that is wrong, I first think "will this misinformation effect me?"  and if not, I usually chuckle and let it slide.

Often rather than correct them, you can subtly just add in a counterview without actually claiming it as yours.
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Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:14am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:08am:
Letting others be wrong is good advice.


Stupid people are always trying to prove they arent stupid, and you belittle them by correcting them.

When I hear something that is wrong, I first think "will this misinformation effect me?"  and if not, I usually chuckle and let it slide.

Often rather than correct them, you can subtly just add in a counterview without actually claiming it as yours.


I like that!  I guess as well it saves a lot of grief and frustration.
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Reply #3 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:31am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Letting others be wrong is good advice.





In a general sense that is correct.




The problem arises,
imo, when those who are wrong, refuse to 'pick up the bill' for the 'down stream' consequences of their choices.

???

And that is what morality immorality always comes down to.

i.e.
A refusal of the individual, to be responsible for the [negative] consequences of his/her own choices.







'We're only human, we're supposed to make mistakes.'

- - Billy Joel

....but we are meant to be smart enough to learn to be sorry for [regret] them.


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Reply #4 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:45am
 
Jaqs wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:05am:
How often do we let others be wrong?  Do we need to correct people and make them see their mistakes??   

In Richard Carlsons book - Don't Sweat the Small Stuff... he has a chapter called : Let Others be RIGHT Most of the Time.

In reality he is saying let others have their opinion even if we believe it to be wrong.  He also speaks of making peace with imperfection. 

Interesting and challenging.  I will give it a go but not at the disposal of my own self esteem and freedom of thought.



Yep, I agree entirely.
What difference does it make if they are wrong?
And anyway, they might be right, I might be wrong.
What's right for me might be wrong for them.
Don't set out to prove them wrong, accept what they say/do.
Ask them, "that's interesting, why do you say that?" - then accept what they say.
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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 1:20am
 
A ninja(according to some book i read but can't for the moment find online as i forget its exact title but am sure i have referenced b4) is known  for his/her STRENGTH, KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM and SILENCE.

The attribute of silence doesn't mean you can't share information with a true seeker of the way but it simply acknowledges that people that know don't need to be told and people that don't know often won't listen.
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Reply #6 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 2:50am
 
How often do we let others be wrong? ....depends
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Reply #7 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 5:15pm
 
4 – The Emptiness of a Vessel
The Tao is (like) the emptiness of a vessel;

and in our employment of it we must be on our guard against all fulness.

How deep and unfathomable it is, as if it were the Honoured Ancestor of
all things!

We should blunt our sharp points, and unravel the complications of things;

we should attemper our brightness, and bring ourselves into agreement with the obscurity of others.

How pure and still the Tao is, as if it would ever so continue!

I do not know whose son it is. It might appear to have been before God.

http://www.poetseers.org/the-poetseers/lao-tzu/tao-te-ching/verse-81-mitchell/
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Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 7:09pm
 
Ah the Dao de jing  Smiley If only were all as wise as Laozi.
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Reply #9 - Nov 7th, 2013 at 9:16pm
 
On one level, I think this is good advice; on another, it probably isn't.

What I think he might mean is that, within the bounds of general conversation, it's not essential to correct the other person for making an invalid statement. It's actually an essential social skill to realise this—sometimes, it just doesn't matter.

In a realm in which debate is socially acceptable, however (like this forum, for instance), I think we should be encouraged to politely and respectively point out an incorrect statement if it is made, in order that the discussion may progress. I think that's a good and useful thing.

These views may seem contradictory, but I think they're compatible. It's really all about social context.
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Reply #10 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 9:04pm
 
Jaqs wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:05am:
How often do we let others be wrong?  Do we need to correct people and make them see their mistakes??   

In Richard Carlsons book - Don't Sweat the Small Stuff... he has a chapter called : Let Others be RIGHT Most of the Time.

In reality he is saying let others have their opinion even if we believe it to be wrong.  He also speaks of making peace with imperfection. 

Interesting and challenging.  I will give it a go but not at the disposal of my own self esteem and freedom of thought.



Hmmm. Interesting.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:45am:
Jaqs wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:05am:
How often do we let others be wrong?  Do we need to correct people and make them see their mistakes??   

In Richard Carlsons book - Don't Sweat the Small Stuff... he has a chapter called : Let Others be RIGHT Most of the Time.

In reality he is saying let others have their opinion even if we believe it to be wrong.  He also speaks of making peace with imperfection. 

Interesting and challenging.  I will give it a go but not at the disposal of my own self esteem and freedom of thought.



Yep, I agree entirely.
What difference does it make if they are wrong?
And anyway, they might be right, I might be wrong.
What's right for me might be wrong for them.
Don't set out to prove them wrong, accept what they say/do.
Ask them, "that's interesting, why do you say that?" - then accept what they say.


As you 2 already know, I much prefer to correct them and show them the error of their ways through due exhortation and rebuke Tongue
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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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Reply #12 - Nov 13th, 2013 at 5:09am
 
Paul keating actually addressed the issue on that interview he had with big red tonight...
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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2013 at 10:47am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2013 at 9:05pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:45am:
Jaqs wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:05am:
How often do we let others be wrong?  Do we need to correct people and make them see their mistakes??   

In Richard Carlsons book - Don't Sweat the Small Stuff... he has a chapter called : Let Others be RIGHT Most of the Time.

In reality he is saying let others have their opinion even if we believe it to be wrong.  He also speaks of making peace with imperfection. 

Interesting and challenging.  I will give it a go but not at the disposal of my own self esteem and freedom of thought.



Yep, I agree entirely.
What difference does it make if they are wrong?
And anyway, they might be right, I might be wrong.
What's right for me might be wrong for them.
Don't set out to prove them wrong, accept what they say/do.
Ask them, "that's interesting, why do you say that?" - then accept what they say.


As you 2 already know, I much prefer to correct them and show them the error of their ways through due exhortation and rebuke Tongue


Over the past few days, I've done just that .. rebuked and told certain people exactly what I thought of their wrong actions.

It would be nice if said people could offer an apology .. instead of attempting to rescript recent history so as to make them appear slightly more decent than they really are.

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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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Reply #14 - Nov 20th, 2013 at 2:07pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 13th, 2013 at 5:09am:
Paul keating actually addressed the issue on that interview he had with big red tonight...


Yeah, right....

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