St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:


Telstra was paid $11B for the complete removal of the copper and now you want to tell me that under this new plan it will be $40B plus whatever you imagine tomorrow?

RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Actually—you talk out of your arse. You obviously have no clue at all.

FTTN is irrelevant to FTTH. Can’t reuse the nodes, probably have to rerun fibre etc. You really think Google runs out FTTN, rips it out and runs out 1Gbps FTTH?

With crap Tel$tra copper, with a huge proportion of houses without even one sound twisted pair the only way to go is go FTTH! FTTN has that $91Bn + remediation cost.

Hang on George.  Does not the NBN thaing mean there is a fibre link to the neighbourhood node/hub ~ FTTNode, and from that node/hub, there is a fibre link to each house in that neighbourhood ~ FTTHome?

Aussie wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 9:09pm:

No. The nodes require significant power and airconditioning to function. The sound cables from exchange are ripped up and replaced with fibre and the crap copper from distribution point to the homes connected to the fibre. Each node is a refrigerator–sized steel cabinet, an irresistible target for graffiti and for vandals who want the expensive batteries inside each node

For FTTH best to run fibre all the way from the exchange, then via a fibre distribution nodule to each premises. Power and ongoing maintenance of the copper are in addition to the $91Bn cost for FTTH.

From Turnbulls FAQ page

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RabbitO8 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

FoD costs something like $5000 if you are near a node.

What can be done is not necessarily what must be done. The idiotic assertion from longypongy was that you need FTTN before you can have FTTH.

Have either of you two fanbois considered the costs of powering the nodes and maintaining the copper? Even Turncoat admits these costs mean FTTN is soon more expensive than FTTH.

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What are the Maintenance costs on FTTN?

No telecommunications company in the world has identified avoided copper maintenance costs as a compelling reason for deploying FTTP. In New Zealand where Chorus is rolling out FTTP, the company is maintaining its copper lines to deliver voice – and in the UK BT does the same. At AT&T annual maintenance costs are reportedly US$36 per user per year for the outside copper lines used in its fibre to the node network and comparable fibre maintenance costs a little more than half of that amount.

Supporters of an FTTP NBN cite numbers of $1 billion or more as Telstra’s yearly copper maintenance costs. It is important to understand that Telstra does not release this number, and so most claims about it are informed guesswork. Most financial market analysts believe the real figure is closer to $750 million. In any case, only a few of these costs would be the responsibility of the NBN if it did obtain Telstra’s copper lines in many locations to use in a FTTN/VDSL NBN:

A Coalition NBN Co would not be responsible for maintaining the Telstra network in areas outside the fixed line footprint. Telstra will continue to maintain the copper network in remote areas under a $6.4 billion contract with the Government’s new agency overseeing the Universal Service Obligation, TUSMA. The maintenance costs of this part of the network are disproportionately high because of long copper loops and extreme climate conditions.
A Coalition NBN Co would not be responsible for maintaining the Telstra network in areas where FTTP is deployed – about a quarter of the fixed line footprint.
In areas where the NBN was deployed using FTTN/VDSL , the most error-prone parts of the copper (the large bundles running between nodes and exchanges) will be replaced by fibre
We have been advised by several operators of large telco networks, that it is also important to remember that the on the “D-side” (ie between the node and the customer’s premise) the most common maintenance issue is “shovel strike” – the accidental severing of a cable. Copper and fibre are equally vulnerable to careless gardeners and other diggers of holes and trenches. Copper’s shortcoming is that it is vulnerable to corrosion caused by water penetration however balanced against that it is easier and faster to repair than fibre.
The Coalition policy is designed and costed on the basis that themost maintenance-intensive copper (for example in areas with high groundwater levels) will be replaced by fibre. The Coalition forecasts also build in a budget for copper remediation, which is often part of a FTTN rollout.