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Reply #510 - Dec 18^th, 2013 at 9:30pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:43pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

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Where does Turkey fit in then?

It is much closer, however it is also on the border of where historical Islam reached.

So, how did Turkey become Muslim

By conquest of course.

And this occurred when? Sometime in history? Cheesy

Isn't that when everything occurs?

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Reply #511 - Dec 19^th, 2013 at 1:08pm

Soren wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 9:30pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:43pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

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Where does Turkey fit in then?

It is much closer, however it is also on the border of where historical Islam reached.

So, how did Turkey become Muslim

By conquest of course.

And this occurred when? Sometime in history? Cheesy

Isn't that when everything occurs?

Exactly, so what does that say about FD's original silly statement? Grin

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #512 - Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:14pm What the hell are you on about?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #513 - Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:18pm guys, please stop embedding quotes as per the riot act. I will start editing embedded quotes from now on.
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Reply #514 - Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:41pm

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

What the hell are you on about?

Being deliberately obtuse or just dimwitted? Follow the attributed quotes in the last post back to the beginning where FD claimed that Turkey lay outside "historical Islam". I pointed out that Turkey must lie within "historical Islam" because it had been conquered in the past (ie "history") which you agreed with! Now you're trying to wriggle out of that by being obtuse (or dimwitted). Cheesy

So, do you agree that FD's original statement was nonsense?

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Reply #515 - Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

guys, please stop embedding quotes as per the riot act.

I will start editing embedded quotes from now on.

I have just shown the necessity of "embedding quotes". I have caught Soren out because he can't even follow a conversation and that would not be possible if the context of the quotes was removed.

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #516 - Dec 19^th, 2013 at 9:10pm Turkey - the Ottoman Empire - IS on the border of Muslim reach to the West. No matter how much you twerk your eyes.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #517 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:35am Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2013 at 9:10pm: Turkey - the Ottoman Empire - IS on the border of Muslim reach to the West. No matter how much you twerk your eyes. Thanks for helping to refute his point!
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #519 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 2:48pm bwian, bwian, bwian.... you talkin bout the bwaintwust now Jnr? Got nothin' on topic to say? how usual for you.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #520 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:48pm Freediver, what do you mean by Turkey being "on the border of where historical Islam reached"? (ie, what is "historical islam"?)
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Reply #521 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Freediver, what do you mean by Turkey being "on the border of where historical Islam reached"? (ie, what is "historical islam"?)

It is obvious that he means that the Turkey was the historical "high water mark" of Islamic expansion in Eastern Europe. Of course, using the term "Turkey" confuses the matter because the Ottoman Empire extended into the Balkans, reaching Vienna, which is far outside the borders of today's nation of Turkey. FD I've noted before likes to play a little fast and loose with his claims about history. Roll Eyes

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Reply #522 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:04pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Freediver, what do you mean by Turkey being "on the border of where historical Islam reached"? (ie, what is "historical islam"?)

It is obvious that he means that the Turkey was the historical "high water mark" of Islamic expansion in Eastern Europe. Of course, using the term "Turkey" confuses the matter because the Ottoman Empire extended into the Balkans, reaching Vienna, which is far outside the borders of today's nation of Turkey. FD I've noted before likes to play a little fast and loose with his claims about history. Roll Eyes

So how does this not agree with 'Turkey is the westernmost limit of Islam'??

Keep it short and to the piont, if you are able to. (fingers crossed)

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Reply #523 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:07pm

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Freediver, what do you mean by Turkey being "on the border of where historical Islam reached"? (ie, what is "historical islam"?)

It is obvious that he means that the Turkey was the historical "high water mark" of Islamic expansion in Eastern Europe. Of course, using the term "Turkey" confuses the matter because the Ottoman Empire extended into the Balkans, reaching Vienna, which is far outside the borders of today's nation of Turkey. FD I've noted before likes to play a little fast and loose with his claims about history. Roll Eyes

So how does this not agree with 'Turkey is the westernmost limit of Islam'??

Keep it short and to the piont, if you are able to. (fingers crossed)

My goodness! A civil response. How out of character for you!

Depends if he is referring to the Ottoman Empire or the nation of Turkey, as I've pointed out already, Soren. Reading comprehension problems? Roll Eyes

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Reply #524 - Dec 20^th, 2013 at 10:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2013 at 9:52pm:

It is obvious that he means that the Turkey was the historical "high water mark" of Islamic expansion in Eastern Europe. Of course, using the term "Turkey" confuses the matter because the Ottoman Empire extended into the Balkans, reaching Vienna, which is far outside the borders of today's nation of Turkey. FD I've noted before likes to play a little fast and loose with his claims about history.

Whats funny is that from around 1300 to the end of WWI, Turkey literally controlled the land of "historic islam" - from Mecca to Baghdad to Morocco to Constantinople. FD claims Turkey was merely "on the border" of where historical islam reached, when in reality, for most of islam's existence, its heart was controlled by Turkey Cheesy

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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