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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #255 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:50pm Is there anything Rudd hasn't changed his mind on? The Lady Kevni is not for turning.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40955 Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #256 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:50pm soren - yes, that is correct kat - a PM 'owning' someone who aks a question ?? and you think that is admirable ??
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40955 Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #257 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:56pm soren - yes, paul says that
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40955 Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #258 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:59pm Soren wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:50pm: Is there anything Rudd hasn't changed his mind on? The Lady Kevni is not for turning. indeed, no wonder kevvy diverted from the question and ranted on
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Reply #259 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:04pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

soren - yes, paul says that

Where?

I wonder because Christianity spread among women and slaves and the otherwise marginal and poor first.
Perhaps people interpret Paul's not calling for (another) slave revolt as an endorsement or justification of slavery. But this would be an untenable conceit.

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Reply #260 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:11pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Rudd stated that Saint Paul said in the new testament that slaves should obey their masters.

He is correct. end of story.

nah - rudd said "slavery is the natural condition as the bible says it is"
Which is wrong.

slaves did and do exist. which is different to what rudd says.

nah - rudd said "slavery is the natural condition as the bible says it is"
Which is wrong.

Rudd qualified that with the Saint Paul quote to show that the bible has supported slavery which was correct, what you stated is correct only if taken out of context.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111599 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #261 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:11pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 7:10pm: The video that Longy will not watch: Longy refuses to know the truth about the Catholic Inquisition.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59991 Here Gender:	Re: Rudd smacked down on Bible verse Reply #262 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:12pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:50pm: soren - yes, that is correct kat - a PM 'owning' someone who aks a question ?? and you think that is admirable ?? Isn't that slavery ??
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Reply #263 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:18pm

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Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart

Ephesians 6:4-6

I believe it was a sa general advice to slaves in that day.
Slaves were quite common.

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Reply #264 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:21pm

Soren wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

soren - yes, paul says that

Where?

I wonder because Christianity spread among women and slaves and the otherwise marginal and poor first.
Perhaps people interpret Paul's not calling for (another) slave revolt as an endorsement or justification of slavery. But this would be an untenable conceit.

I believe christianity was not 'preferenced' for the women or poor, or rich or men.

It spread everywhere equallyishly.

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Reply #265 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:23pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:18pm:

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Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart

Ephesians 6:4-6

I believe it was a sa general advice to slaves in that day.
Slaves were quite common.

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And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Ephesians 6 :9

Paul does not give a biased recommendation.

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Reply #266 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:31pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:43pm:

the pastor did not ask that.

he said "People are ringing me up asking why can they trust you when you change your mind on things, such as homos getting married."

the query was on rudd changing his mind.

Exactly. This is what both longy and myself have been going on about for the last dozen pages. The question was regarding trusting Rudd when he has changed his mind on many things. The whole gay marriage thing was just an example. The question was not directly about gay marriage. Rudd simply ignored the focus of the question and instead answered his own. The problem is that his answer did nothing to reassure those who had any doubts.

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Reply #267 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:48pm

Quantum wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:43pm:

the pastor did not ask that.

he said "People are ringing me up asking why can they trust you when you change your mind on things, such as homos getting married."

the query was on rudd changing his mind.

Exactly. This is what both longy and myself have been going on about for the last dozen pages. The question was regarding trusting Rudd when he has changed his mind on many things. The whole gay marriage thing was just an example. The question was not directly about gay marriage. Rudd simply ignored the focus of the question and instead answered his own. The problem is that his answer did nothing to reassure those who had any doubts.

How can Rudd approve of blokes sticking their dicks up other guys buttholes?

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Reply #268 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 12:06am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 12:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

Absolutely!! And what Rudd said was to remove Christ from his belief which renders it worthless.

How does supporting gay marriage "remove Christ from his belief"?!?!

Christ never said anything against gay marriage.

Exact opposite really. Christ said to love each over and treat others as we would have them treat ourselves. THat seems to fit in well with not discriminating against people based on their sexual preference

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

There will always be debate about theology and doctrine but on the major point there is no liberty at all. If you do not believe that Christ is the centre of the Bible and God's Son then your faith is false. IN fact the Bible itself says as much.

Where did Rudd say that anything against Christ being the the centre of the Bible and God's Son?

All he said was that discriminating against people based on their sexual preference was wrong.

your presumption that Jesus supports gay marriage is idiotic.

Why?

Christ never said anything against gay marriage.

But he did say that we should love each other and treat each other as we would have others treat ourselves.

Why is it idiotic to think that Jesus would treat gay people with respect?

Could you explain?

Do you really think that if Jesus had have been on Q and A with Kevin that night he would have said:

JESUS: Sorry Kev, but I have to but in here. Sure, I bang on a lot about loving your fellow man and stuff, and helping the downtrodden - but I was not talking about poofters. No - Dad just made them as a bit of a joke. You are allowed to discriminate against them. They don't count.
TONY JONES: Thank you Jesus - I'll take that as a comment...

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Reply #269 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 3:29am

Well Matt Prater Pastor is original LNP supporter, how do you know that?
simply go facebook type Matt Prater, in his friend lists search "MP", there only Liberal members supporters he has, non of a Labor member you can find there, what is it wrong? Obviously long before he already the LNP supporter and representing them use this case to share to the believer, so they may believe that Rudd is wrong and shows that he cares about biblical teaching, and the followers of the church and the Christian watched on the TV camera will see him as a hero image that willing to stand up say something, make audience think he is a righteous man, but we don’t know what really behind his purpose, we must know who he support from the very beginning, seeking for his own interest, we can’t decide others life only people who decide it when they know the biblical truth, for God to judge not you and I to judge them, controlling over their life, however we can share, pray, support with love and mercy with unconditional love.
Matthew 7:1-4
1Timothy1:5-11

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