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Postmodern Trendoid Gold Member Offline International socialist Posts: 892 Gender:	Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day Reply #15 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:54pm If only the Japanese had won, the world would be have been a better place. There would be no more fighting or conflict. Only the USA and its allies cause war.
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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #16 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:01pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

If only the Japanese had won, the world would be have been a better place. There would be no more fighting or conflict. Only the USA and its allies cause war.

It wouldn't have been very good for the Chinese. They killed millions upon millions of them . They even dropped plague infected flees on them. The Japanese at the time were absolute barbarians. According to the Japanese Army every human that wasn't Japanese was seen as a subhuman. What a smacking stupid post.

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Postmodern Trendoid Gold Member Offline International socialist Posts: 892 Gender:	Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day Reply #17 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:01pm Japan was a progressive nation that believed in equality for all.
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Reply #18 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:11pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

Japan was a progressive nation that believed in equality for all.

Why did they kill so many people from China, Korea, Vietnam, Phillipines, Burma, Indonesia New Guinea, etc etc. They made slaves of civilians and POWs and worked them until they died. They tortured and murdered POWs and civilians also. They did medical experiments human beings. That's a funny way of showing equality. What do you think? If I was Japanese I would be ashamed.

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Reply #19 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:37pm

Big Dave wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

Japan was a progressive nation that believed in equality for all.

Why did they kill so many people from China, Korea, Vietnam, Phillipines, Burma, Indonesia New Guinea, etc etc. They made slaves of civilians and POWs and worked them until they died. They tortured and murdered POWs and civilians also. They did medical experiments human beings. That's a funny way of showing equality. What do you think? If I was Japanese I would be ashamed.

That's all American propaganda.

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Reply #20 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:41pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

Big Dave wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

Japan was a progressive nation that believed in equality for all.

Why did they kill so many people from China, Korea, Vietnam, Phillipines, Burma, Indonesia New Guinea, etc etc. They made slaves of civilians and POWs and worked them until they died. They tortured and murdered POWs and civilians also. They did medical experiments human beings. That's a funny way of showing equality. What do you think? If I was Japanese I would be ashamed.

That's all American propaganda.

I sense a troll... or a fool. Perhaps both.

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day Reply #21 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:44pm Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:54pm: If only the Japanese had won, the world would be have been a better place. There would be no more fighting or conflict. Only the USA and its allies cause war. Just what this place needs another idiot troll.
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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #22 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:47pm

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to
stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe

Sabre rattling?

The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath.

No - Japan had already lost.
The USA didn't need to invade Japan.

Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

Pity you were not there to tell the Japanese that, or read anything on WWII or have any sort of broad general knowledge of world events; pity.

The japanese were not a spent force are the invasion of okinawa can attest and to say the the invasion of japan was not needed only show your extreme igorance of military history.

I don't know why you try to participate in these types of discussions, you are nearly always wrong and you go out of your way to learn absolutely nothing.

I consider myself an expert on WW2.

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Reply #23 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

the aversion to bombing civilians in wartime is a recent thing. in WW2 both sides bombed civilians all the time. BOTH sides.

The good old days when the strategy of 'Total War' was not a computer game but a military doctrine for winning.

Maybe the next time the lefties complain that wars aren't being won decisively enough, maybe they could recommend this doctrine for all future conflicts, always fewer refugees when there are fewer civilians.

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Postmodern Trendoid Gold Member Offline International socialist Posts: 892 Gender:	Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day Reply #24 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:50pm The Frankfurt School and Antonio Gramsci were right. The West is evil. Inequality only occurs in the West. All non-Europeans nations are perfect.
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Reply #25 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to
stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe

Sabre rattling?

The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath.

No - Japan had already lost.
The USA didn't need to invade Japan.

Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

Pity you were not there to tell the Japanese that, or read anything on WWII or have any sort of broad general knowledge of world events; pity.

The japanese were not a spent force are the invasion of okinawa can attest and to say the the invasion of japan was not needed only show your extreme igorance of military history.

I don't know why you try to participate in these types of discussions, you are nearly always wrong and you go out of your way to learn absolutely nothing.

I consider myself an expert on WW2.

I can't see why, when you seem to be totally devoid of valid kowledge on the subject.

Maybe you should stop listening to that voice in your head and read a book, that voice is an idiot.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day Reply #26 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm There is plenty of evidence, if you care to look for it, that Japan was about to surrender and the the bomb was unnecessary. It was dropped to deter Stalin and also because the scientists who built couldn't wait to see how well it worked. Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain crimes against humanity.
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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #27 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:23pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

There is plenty of evidence, if you care to look for it, that Japan was about to surrender and the the bomb was unnecessary.

It was dropped to deter Stalin and also because the scientists who built couldn't wait to see how well it worked.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain crimes against humanity.

You seem to be extremely well read on the imminent surrender of japan, maybe you should post your peer reviewed evidence so we can all change our minds on the subject.

I prefere not to be reading revisionist history or personal blogs but the valid facts that they were going to surrender but it took not one nuke but two and a massive fly over before they picked up the phone.

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Reply #28 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to
stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe

Sabre rattling?

The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath.

No - Japan had already lost.
The USA didn't need to invade Japan.

Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

Pity you were not there to tell the Japanese that, or read anything on WWII or have any sort of broad general knowledge of world events; pity.

The japanese were not a spent force are the invasion of okinawa can attest and to say the the invasion of japan was not needed only show your extreme igorance of military history.

I don't know why you try to participate in these types of discussions, you are nearly always wrong and you go out of your way to learn absolutely nothing.

I consider myself an expert on WW2.

nobody else does. In fact, it is only the likes of SOB, skippy and pansi that stop you vying for a Stupid and Uninformed award.

you are a dumb schmuck.

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Re: Today August 6th - Hiroshima day
Reply #29 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:29pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

There is plenty of evidence, if you care to look for it, that Japan was about to surrender and the the bomb was unnecessary.

It was dropped to deter Stalin and also because the scientists who built couldn't wait to see how well it worked.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain crimes against humanity.

rubbish. There was little evidence at all that the truly fanatical Japanese were willing to even consider surrender. keep in mind that even Hiroshima didn't get an immediate surrender. it required the second bombing to get them to surrender.

Japanese behaviour during the war... now THAT is a war crime.

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