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Reply #45 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:55am

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Gillard struck a deal to obtain power ...

and in the process, broke a promise.

Breaking a promise is not a lie, unless the promise was made with intent to deceive. On all the evidence, Gillard intended to keep the "no carbon tax" promise.

That brings us back to Abbott's ongoing repeating of the lie about that broken promise.

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Reply #46 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 12:20pm

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

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Gillard struck a deal to obtain power ...

and in the process, broke a promise.

Breaking a promise is not a lie, unless the promise was made with intent to deceive. On all the evidence, Gillard intended to keep the "no carbon tax" promise.

That brings us back to Abbott's ongoing repeating of the lie about that broken promise.

Abbotts behaviour is representative of people playing the game in a sound bite media driven population.

Its for the same reason he keeps repeating his three word slogans, because the media only play 5 seconds of his 15 minute press confrence and thats what they play.

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And why not, if you will permit me; why shouldn’t I, if you will permit me; spend my first week as prime minister, should that happen, on this, on your, country - Abbott with the Garma People Aug 13

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Reply #48 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:29pm

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

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Abbotts behaviour is representative of people playing the game in a sound bite media driven population.
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So Abbott tells short lies?

Lots and lots of short lies.

I think its a lie if you deliberatley make a statement with the intent to mislead someone.

I think Abbott actually believes the crap that comes out of his mouth, and is so stuck in his glory days of beings Howards understudy that he does thinks he is the messiah for Australians.

I would call him more dellusional than misleading.

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And why not, if you will permit me; why shouldn’t I, if you will permit me; spend my first week as prime minister, should that happen, on this, on your, country - Abbott with the Garma People Aug 13

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Vic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8454 Melbourne Victoria Gender:	Re: Abbott Tells Another One Reply #49 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 3:01pm Time to lock him up again. Send out big Joe instead http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/tony-abbott-heckled-by-eld...
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damien Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 Gender:	Re: Abbott Tells Another One Reply #50 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 4:23pm So he got heckled...and Rudd (and others) have never?
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Reply #51 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

... She said no carbon tax. There is a carbon tax. ... it gave her the right to be PM, ...

More precisely, it was the price of getting the support of the Greens. Without that, Gillard couldn't have truthfully told the Governor General that she had majority support in the House of Representatives and the Governor General would have had difficulty allowing her to form government. Not impossible (Westminster Conventions are not that cut-and-dried), but difficult.

garbage. Bandt promised to support her on election night!!! and she doesn't have to convince the GG. if there is any doubt it is tested on the floor of the house. easy as.

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Reply #52 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 5:33pm

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

... She said no carbon tax. There is a carbon tax. ... it gave her the right to be PM, ...

More precisely, it was the price of getting the support of the Greens. Without that, she couldn't have truthfully told the Governor General that she had majority support in the House of Representatives and the Governor General would have had difficulty allowing her to form government. Not impossible (Westminster Conventions are not that cut-and-dried), but difficult.

Correct.

Gillard struck a deal to obtain power and the rest they say is history.

What was interesting was the major concerns at that time the 4 independants (Wilkie, Oakeshott, Katter & Windsor) had over the coalitions budget estimates and the glaring holes in it.

I guess it just highlights that if you will say and do anything to get power it will come back to haunt you.

and Swans performance was any better?? even with access to information denied the opposition he repeatedly produced 6 budgets that missed their targets by the proverbial country mile. look at the current one. Surplus promised and $26B deficit produced.

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Reply #53 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 5:36pm

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

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Gillard struck a deal to obtain power ...

and in the process, broke a promise.

Breaking a promise is not a lie, unless the promise was made with intent to deceive. On all the evidence, Gillard intended to keep the "no carbon tax" promise.

That brings us back to Abbott's ongoing repeating of the lie about that broken promise.

Abbotts behaviour is representative of people playing the game in a sound bite media driven population.

Its for the same reason he keeps repeating his three word slogans, because the media only play 5 seconds of his 15 minute press confrence and thats what they play.

are you the first person to recognise that all pollies speak in slogans because that is all that will be printed and replayed on TV??? Do you think this is news??? IT HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR 20 YEARS+

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #54 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 6:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

...
Gillard struck a deal to obtain power ...

and in the process, broke a promise.

Breaking a promise is not a lie, unless the promise was made with intent to deceive. On all the evidence, Gillard intended to keep the "no carbon tax" promise.

That brings us back to Abbott's ongoing repeating of the lie about that broken promise.

Abbotts behaviour is representative of people playing the game in a sound bite media driven population.

Its for the same reason he keeps repeating his three word slogans, because the media only play 5 seconds of his 15 minute press confrence and thats what they play.

are you the first person to recognise that all pollies speak in slogans because that is all that will be printed and replayed on TV??? Do you think this is news??? IT HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR 20 YEARS+

at least, all the liberal ones do

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Abbott Tells Another One Reply #55 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 6:18pm I never said swans budgets were better, I was pointing out footage which during the negoiation period the independents concerns over the budget produced by the coalition influenced their decision.
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Reply #56 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

... She said no carbon tax. There is a carbon tax. ... it gave her the right to be PM, ...

More precisely, it was the price of getting the support of the Greens. Without that, she couldn't have truthfully told the Governor General that she had majority support in the House of Representatives and the Governor General would have had difficulty allowing her to form government. Not impossible (Westminster Conventions are not that cut-and-dried), but difficult.

Correct.

Gillard struck a deal to obtain power and the rest they say is history.

What was interesting was the major concerns at that time the 4 independants (Wilkie, Oakeshott, Katter & Windsor) had over the coalitions budget estimates and the glaring holes in it.

I guess it just highlights that if you will say and do anything to get power it will come back to haunt you.

and Swans performance was any better?? even with access to information denied the opposition he repeatedly produced 6 budgets that missed their targets by the proverbial country mile. look at the current one. Surplus promised and $26B deficit produced.

Surplus promised and $26B deficit produced

Is that the previous budget of 19 B deficit plus interest ??

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Reply #57 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:48pm

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:29pm:

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

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Abbotts behaviour is representative of people playing the game in a sound bite media driven population.
...

So Abbott tells short lies?

Lots and lots of short lies.

I think its a lie if you deliberatley make a statement with the intent to mislead someone.

I think Abbott actually believes the crap that comes out of his mouth, and is so stuck in his glory days of beings Howards understudy that he does thinks he is the messiah for Australians.

I would call him more dellusional than misleading.

I think Abbott actually believes the crap that comes out of his mouth

No !

beings Howards understudy

He was never Howards understudy - he was the carp that Howard hid under the mat.

I would call him more delusional than misleading

I can't say that he isn't delusional but the final outcome of dishonest is not a close call.

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Reply #58 - Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:52am

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 6:18pm:

I never said swans budgets were better, I was pointing out footage which during the negoiation period the independents concerns over the budget produced by the coalition influenced their decision.

and after three yearas of massive budget failure they chose the team that they KNEW couldn't manage the budget over the team that had 'concerns' about? it sounds a lot like giving an excuse to me.

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Reply #59 - Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:53am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

... She said no carbon tax. There is a carbon tax. ... it gave her the right to be PM, ...

More precisely, it was the price of getting the support of the Greens. Without that, she couldn't have truthfully told the Governor General that she had majority support in the House of Representatives and the Governor General would have had difficulty allowing her to form government. Not impossible (Westminster Conventions are not that cut-and-dried), but difficult.

Correct.

Gillard struck a deal to obtain power and the rest they say is history.

What was interesting was the major concerns at that time the 4 independants (Wilkie, Oakeshott, Katter & Windsor) had over the coalitions budget estimates and the glaring holes in it.

I guess it just highlights that if you will say and do anything to get power it will come back to haunt you.

and Swans performance was any better?? even with access to information denied the opposition he repeatedly produced 6 budgets that missed their targets by the proverbial country mile. look at the current one. Surplus promised and $26B deficit produced.

Surplus promised and $26B deficit produced

Is that the previous budget of 19 B deficit plus interest ??

it is adding the latest $8B drop in revenue.

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