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Reply #30 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

What gets me is not so much the lies, but the fact that so many are believing them without question.

Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources?

Because that certainly appears to be the case...

I know why you believe the above nonsense. You are terminally bitter and stupid. but the rest of the country is probably capable of recognising that Abbott has support as much Gillard legislation as Labor supported Howard. It is those confusing things called 'facts' which so mess with people like you.

No. I believe it because it's true.

The right have their eyes shut, and their fingers in their ears.

And, just to make sure no facts intrude, their heads up their ass.

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Reply #31 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:02pm

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

What gets me is not so much the lies, but the fact that so many are believing them without question.

Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources?

Because that certainly appears to be the case...

I know why you believe the above nonsense. You are terminally bitter and stupid. but the rest of the country is probably capable of recognising that Abbott has support as much Gillard legislation as Labor supported Howard. It is those confusing things called 'facts' which so mess with people like you.

No. I believe it because it's true.

The right have their eyes shut, and their fingers in their ears.

And, just to make sure no facts intrude, their heads up their ass.

well said.. my opinion exactly of the lefties..

could not have said it better myself.

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Reply #32 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

amazing .... rather than comment on Abbotts lies they deflect to anything but Abbott. There is already a thread on Rudd ... if you think he lies, post it there, if you don't care that Abbott lies, don't pretend you care if Rudd lies. If your name is Cods, stick to knitting or crochet.

oh the irony... which naturally you did not pick up on. EVERY thread on Rudd immediately becomes a discussion on Abbott. And you are the worst offender.

The OP is essentially inaccurate and lacking in historical perspective. It is also, nothing more than opinion from and extremely biased source.

ok, if I'm the worst offender you'll have no problem putting up a half a dozen links or so? Or are you going to prove that your full of sh1t , again?

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Re: Abbott Tells Another One
Reply #33 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:46pm

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

What gets me is not so much the lies, but the fact that so many are believing them without question.

Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources?

Because that certainly appears to be the case...

I know why you believe the above nonsense. You are terminally bitter and stupid. but the rest of the country is probably capable of recognising that Abbott has support as much Gillard legislation as Labor supported Howard. It is those confusing things called 'facts' which so mess with people like you.

No. I believe it because it's true.

The right have their eyes shut, and their fingers in their ears.

And, just to make sure no facts intrude, their heads up their ass.

such a bitter old failure....

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Re: Abbott Tells Another One
Reply #34 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

What gets me is not so much the lies, but the fact that so many are believing them without question.

Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources?

Because that certainly appears to be the case...

I know why you believe the above nonsense. You are terminally bitter and stupid. but the rest of the country is probably capable of recognising that Abbott has support as much Gillard legislation as Labor supported Howard. It is those confusing things called 'facts' which so mess with people like you.

No. I believe it because it's true.

The right have their eyes shut, and their fingers in their ears.

And, just to make sure no facts intrude, their heads up their ass.

such a bitter old failure....

BAAAhahahahahaaaaa!!!

0/3 on that one.

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Reply #35 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

What gets me is not so much the lies, but the fact that so many are believing them without question.

Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources?

Because that certainly appears to be the case...

I know why you believe the above nonsense. You are terminally bitter and stupid. but the rest of the country is probably capable of recognising that Abbott has support as much Gillard legislation as Labor supported Howard. It is those confusing things called 'facts' which so mess with people like you.

No. I believe it because it's true.

The right have their eyes shut, and their fingers in their ears.

And, just to make sure no facts intrude, their heads up their ass.

such a bitter old failure....

no, a bitter old failure is one who constantly fails to support his arguments .... that would be you longstupidone.

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Reply #37 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:48pm

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:16am:

What gets me is not so much the lies, but the fact that so many are believing them without question.

Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources?

Because that certainly appears to be the case...

I know why you believe the above nonsense. You are terminally bitter and stupid. but the rest of the country is probably capable of recognising that Abbott has support as much Gillard legislation as Labor supported Howard. It is those confusing things called 'facts' which so mess with people like you.

No. I believe it because it's true.

The right have their eyes shut, and their fingers in their ears.

And, just to make sure no facts intrude, their heads up their ass.

such a bitter old failure....

BAAAhahahahahaaaaa!!!

0/3 on that one.

BAAAhahahahahaaaaa!!!

I thought you translated it into sheepish for him.

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Reply #38 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:32am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

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because she always intended to and it is the only explanation that's fits the facts. She LIED

Your behaviour validates Abbott's evident disdain for his most faithful followers. I reckon he regards you much as Stalin did his "useful idiots" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot.

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Reply #39 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:05am

# wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

... it is the only explanation that's fits the facts. ...

Not by any rational analysis.

feel free to offer an alternative analysis as the why Gillard gave us a carbon tax she promised not to since the GReens were giving (and still are) support no matter what she did,

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Reply #40 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:28am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

# wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

... it is the only explanation that's fits the facts. ...

Not by any rational analysis.

feel free to offer an alternative analysis as the why Gillard gave us a carbon tax she promised not to since the GReens were giving (and still are) support no matter what she did,

When the former Prime Minister Gillard said “I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism,” “I rule out a carbon tax.” Did she actually tell a lie? Clearly she showed an intent to keep her options open. As it turns out we have a market based scheme. She was not trying to deceive. She was being honest within the uncertainty of the circumstances. And MSM never gave her the benefit of the doubt.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Abbott Tells Another One Reply #41 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:35am longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:05am: ... feel free to offer an alternative analysis ... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375049314/9#9 Are you trolling?
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Reply #42 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am

John S wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

# wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

... it is the only explanation that's fits the facts. ...

Not by any rational analysis.

feel free to offer an alternative analysis as the why Gillard gave us a carbon tax she promised not to since the GReens were giving (and still are) support no matter what she did,

When the former Prime Minister Gillard said “I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism,” “I rule out a carbon tax.” Did she actually tell a lie? Clearly she showed an intent to keep her options open. As it turns out we have a market based scheme. She was not trying to deceive. She was being honest within the uncertainty of the circumstances. And MSM never gave her the benefit of the doubt.

People dont like cryptic messages. She said no carbon tax. There is a carbon tax. As a result, it gave her the right to be PM, but it was also the end of her beyond the current term.

That comment on the one of the morning shows will haunt her and will overshadow some of the important things like Gonski and the NDIS.

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Reply #43 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:27am

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

... She said no carbon tax. There is a carbon tax. ... it gave her the right to be PM, ...

More precisely, it was the price of getting the support of the Greens. Without that, Gillard couldn't have truthfully told the Governor General that she had majority support in the House of Representatives and the Governor General would have had difficulty allowing her to form government. Not impossible (Westminster Conventions are not that cut-and-dried), but difficult.

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Reply #44 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:32am

# wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

... She said no carbon tax. There is a carbon tax. ... it gave her the right to be PM, ...

More precisely, it was the price of getting the support of the Greens. Without that, she couldn't have truthfully told the Governor General that she had majority support in the House of Representatives and the Governor General would have had difficulty allowing her to form government. Not impossible (Westminster Conventions are not that cut-and-dried), but difficult.

Correct.

Gillard struck a deal to obtain power and the rest they say is history.

What was interesting was the major concerns at that time the 4 independants (Wilkie, Oakeshott, Katter & Windsor) had over the coalitions budget estimates and the glaring holes in it.

I guess it just highlights that if you will say and do anything to get power it will come back to haunt you.

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And why not, if you will permit me; why shouldn’t I, if you will permit me; spend my first week as prime minister, should that happen, on this, on your, country - Abbott with the Garma People Aug 13

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