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Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:08am
 
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A few days ago I posted a piece titled "Political Lies: Who tells Them’’.

Independent Australia’s Alan Austin followed up with "Tony Abbott’s Latest 15 Lies’’.

This was followed by another article from fellow blogger Michael Taylor at The AIMN, "Keep Lying, Mr Abbott’’.

Another blogger who goes under the name of Truth Seeker also posted on the subject, with “Tony… Stop the LIES, and Stop the RORTS!”

I dealt with the general topic of telling lies with an emphasis on politics. Alan Austin did some fact checking and Michael Taylor addressed Abbott’s lying on the issue of Asylum seekers and Truth Seeker honed in directly on Abbott’s blatant lying.

Was it just coincidence that we all wrote on the subject at around the same time? I think not. No, it’s more likely that we just become frustrated and aggravated by his consistency of untruth. If this means I am saying he is a pathological liar then so be it. It’s not a nice thing to say about anyone but we are dealing with truth here. It’s not so much that he is a serial offender, he is. I think the electorate knows that and factors it in. It shows up in the ‘’Better PM’’ polling. It is why his polling is so poor. The fact that he lies and is easily supported by volumes of readily available irrefutable evidence. (I can provide it if need be). However, what is of equal concern is that the main stream media (the so-called forth estate) who are supposed to be the people’s custodian of truth, condones it.

In a democracy that prides itself on the basics of fair and reasonable expression it is hard to know why we accept his lying. Of course it is perpetuated upon us by a media who believe that truth has a lessor value than the need of its own survival. Where in order to survive it has (across all mediums) sought to become more outlandish-more tantalising-more seductive-more flirtatious-more provocative-more stunning and more enticing. But above all, more manipulative.

The media has enormous power. So much so that it can to a large degree determine who can govern and what their policies should be. And while most of it is owned by a few that is unlikely to change.

Do people ever stop to think how manipulated we have become? Everything the media does, displays or says is done so on the predication that it is doing so for its own self-interest, not ours. It does so because it gives it influence, power and control. Certainly not for the ideals of truth, justice and the common good. It never considers that reporting truth alone might give it all the influence it needs. Finding the truth and reporting it should be more important than creating a narrative where controversy matters more.

We inherit all this of course from the United Stated. The neo-conservative parties in Australia have adopted the principles (or lack of them) as practiced by the GOP and its Tea Party affiliates. Like the Republicans in the US the coalition’s political strategy appears to be to, block, discredit and confuse. On a daily basis the negativity of Abbott spreads like rust through the community. He seeks to muddy the waters with the most outlandish lies. Hardly a day passes when he is not distorting what is said while at the same time telling the most outrageous lies himself. And with a straight face I might add. He has hampered (as do the Republicans) all legislation with a pre-determined NO. Often without even reading it. Abbott has (as have Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan did) taken lying and the frequency of it to a level in political discourse we have never experienced.

Daily on Facebook and other social media, questions are being asked about the truthfulness of Mr Abbott’s statements. They are more often than not devoid of facts. At least Kevin Rudd calls him out on them. Bill Clinton did so with great effect during the last election. During that election and during the first debate commentators were of the view that Obama lost it. I watched it and my view was that he was completely thrown by the amount of lies Romney was telling and the adjudicator’s unwillingness to pick him up on them.

In the end the American people saw through all the lies.

Let’s hope the Australian people do also.





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Reply #1 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:16am
 
What gets me is not so much the lies, but the fact that so many are believing them without question.

Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources? 

Because that certainly appears to be the case...
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Reply #2 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:38am
 
John S wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:08am:
http://theaimn.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/abbott-lies1.jpg



A few days ago I posted a piece titled "Political Lies: Who tells Them’’.

Independent Australia’s Alan Austin followed up with "Tony Abbott’s Latest 15 Lies’’.

This was followed by another article from fellow blogger Michael Taylor at The AIMN, "Keep Lying, Mr Abbott’’.

Another blogger who goes under the name of Truth Seeker also posted on the subject, with “Tony… Stop the LIES, and Stop the RORTS!”

I dealt with the general topic of telling lies with an emphasis on politics. Alan Austin did some fact checking and Michael Taylor addressed Abbott’s lying on the issue of Asylum seekers and Truth Seeker honed in directly on Abbott’s blatant lying.

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http://theaimn.com/2013/07/28/abbott-tells-another-one/


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Reply #3 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:39am
 
ONLY ONE.....

hey we have a winner...

goah how long since anyone told a lie........sheeeeze........

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Reply #4 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 10:33am
 
John S wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:08am:
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As Skippy would say ... SMELL THE FEAR.   Grin
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Reply #5 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 10:37am
 
amazing .... rather than comment on Abbotts lies they deflect to anything but Abbott. There is already a thread on Rudd ... if you think he lies, post it there, if you don't care that Abbott lies, don't pretend you care if Rudd lies. If your name is Cods, stick to knitting or crochet.
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Reply #6 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 10:49am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 10:37am:
amazing .... rather than comment on Abbotts lies they deflect to anything but Abbott. There is already a thread on Rudd ... if you think he lies, post it there, if you don't care that Abbott lies, don't pretend you care if Rudd lies. If your name is Cods, stick to knitting or crochet.


Grin Grin  Don't you like tit for tat? Point me to the thread entitled Rudd Tells Another One.  Thanks.  Wink
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Reply #7 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 10:53am
 
Neferti wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 10:49am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 10:37am:
amazing .... rather than comment on Abbotts lies they deflect to anything but Abbott. There is already a thread on Rudd ... if you think he lies, post it there, if you don't care that Abbott lies, don't pretend you care if Rudd lies. If your name is Cods, stick to knitting or crochet.


Grin Grin  Don't you like tit for tat? Point me to the thread entitled Rudd Tells Another One.  Thanks.  Wink


so that's all it is? tit for tat? you admit that there is no substance behind it ..... figures

here you go dopey, because I know how challenging life is for you, I'll put up the thread you want

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375009529
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Reply #8 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 1:48pm
 
Kat wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:16am:
What gets me is not so much the lies, but the fact that so many are believing them without question.

Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources? 

Because that certainly appears to be the case...


You're confusing values and empiricism. Politics is value-laden; never objective, never impartial. 
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Reply #9 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 3:17pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:39am:
THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD> Angry

See, there you reveal yourself.

First, what is a lie? http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-369653-what-is-a-lie.html "A common temptation is to define a lie as a statement that isn’ t true. But things are more complicated than this.
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The importance of someone' s intentions has been long recognised by philosophers. St. Augustine argued that `a person is to be judged as lying or not lying according to the intention in his own mind, not according to the truth or falsity of the statement.'"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive;"

Second, who is lying? Did Gillard intend to deceive? Did she intend to keep her promise? At the time she made that promise, a carbon tax was not Labor policy. Truth be known, Gillard's not keen on action to mitigate global warming. On the evidence, she intended to keep that promise, breaking it only to get the Greens' support. There's no evidence that the words were spoken "with deliberate intent to deceive".

Abbott is sufficiently well educated to know that Gillard's broken promise is not a lie. For political expediency, he repeatedly misrepresented it as such. Abbott repeatedly made, and continues to repeat, "a false statement ... with deliberate intent to deceive".

The most persistent and prolific liar in Australian politics today is Tony Abbott. Given the state of Australian politics today, that's quite an achievement.

The saddest part is, Abbott has so little regard for his followers that he expects them to believe the most blatant (and often inconsistent) perversions of truth. You prove his expectation justified.

cods wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:39am:
I WILL NOT CHALLENGE AGAIN  I HAVE TOO MUCH INTEGRITY. Angry

Rudd isn't one of my favourite people. The only thing he has going for him is that Abbott is worse.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 1:48pm:
Kat wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:16am:
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Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources?...

... Politics is value-laden; never objective, never impartial.

Perhaps, but does that necessitate accepting without question? Surely, the maxim is "Trust but verify".

Mindless trust does seem to be most prevalent in the Rabid Right.
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Reply #10 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 3:30pm
 
Care to tell me how Rudd's current position on the Boat People isn't a downright lie and a complete turn around from his previous position.

Talk about Abbott lying Rudd takes the cake and the whole ceremony with his latest effort.

I suppose he  had to do something since he was the direct one responsible for opening the floodgates and letting in 46,000 mouths to feed, clothe and shelter, for most of them, for the rest of their lives.

What a total f... up that chub is, yet the public adore him...for what?
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Reply #11 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 3:32pm
 
Wow... that Mr Abbott really is an utter front bottom, isn't he?
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Reply #12 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 3:53pm
 
red baron wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 3:30pm:
Care to tell me how Rudd's current position on the Boat People isn't a downright lie and a complete turn around from his previous position.

Talk about Abbott lying Rudd takes the cake and the whole ceremony with his latest effort.

I suppose he  had to do something since he was the direct one responsible for opening the floodgates and letting in 46,000 mouths to feed, clothe and shelter, for most of them, for the rest of their lives.

What a total f... up that chub is, yet the public adore him...for what?


If you do something and get it wrong, doesnt it make sense to change your position and get it right?

That doesnt make you a liar, it makes you a leader.

We have all taken moral positions on different topics which, while set out with good intentions, have had people abuse our generosity.  Its not a nice feeling, and can leave a sour taste in your mouth which leads to a change in position.

Its all well and good to say he created the problem, however the Australian people created this problem, they elected him on a policy platform, and this was a key one.

I have no problem with someone changing a position on a subject when that subject is being abused and taken for a ride, actually I would expect and demand that of them.  It doesnt make them a liar one bit.
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Reply #13 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 3:58pm
 
# wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 3:17pm:
Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 1:48pm:
Kat wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:16am:
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Are conservatives incapable of independent thought and seeking independent opinions/fact sources?...

... Politics is value-laden; never objective, never impartial.

Perhaps, but does that necessitate accepting without question? Surely, the maxim is "Trust but verify".

Mindless trust does seem to be most prevalent in the Rabid Right.


Lol. Okay. The right are mindless followers and the left are all independent thinkers.  Grin Cheesy Roll Eyes

Back to reality, there are just as many followers of dogma on the left as on the right. Politics is not, to say it again, impartial or objective. Every one brings their interests, desires, biases, prejudices to the table.


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Reply #14 - Jul 29th, 2013 at 4:11pm
 
Verge wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 3:53pm:
red baron wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 3:30pm:
Care to tell me how Rudd's current position on the Boat People isn't a downright lie and a complete turn around from his previous position.

Talk about Abbott lying Rudd takes the cake and the whole ceremony with his latest effort.

I suppose he  had to do something since he was the direct one responsible for opening the floodgates and letting in 46,000 mouths to feed, clothe and shelter, for most of them, for the rest of their lives.

What a total f... up that chub is, yet the public adore him...for what?


If you do something and get it wrong, doesnt it make sense to change your position and get it right?

That doesnt make you a liar, it makes you a leader.

We have all taken moral positions on different topics which, while set out with good intentions, have had people abuse our generosity.  Its not a nice feeling, and can leave a sour taste in your mouth which leads to a change in position.

Its all well and good to say he created the problem, however the Australian people created this problem, they elected him on a policy platform, and this was a key one.

I have no problem with someone changing a position on a subject when that subject is being abused and taken for a ride, actually I would expect and demand that of them.  It doesnt make them a liar one bit.


Good old centre-right Verge, supporting Labor again.

The point is that Rudd and other Laborites all demonised the Coalition, and is now doing the exact same thing as they did. Why haven't they, at the very least, apologised to the Coalition and admit that they were wrong?
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