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Reply #120 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

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interesting highlighted bit. Even his lawyer said that the facts are not really in dispute. So the claims about the hookers are... TRUE. after all the years of denying them.

Even his lawyer said that the facts are not really in dispute

No he said that they didn't intend to dispute the facts at the moment.

They have specifically stated that it does not mean that they do not dispute the other claims just that if he was entitled to use the card then the other claims are irrelevant.

I don't see him winning the point but the likely results do not make it OK for people to be telling lies about what has been said.

With the level of your comprehension skills I have to wonder if English is your first language?

I wouldn't discuss comprehension if I were you. His lawyer said that they were unlikely to dispute the facts of the case. How is then incorrect to ssy - as I said - 'ven his lawyer said that the facts are not really in dispute.'

the statements are semanticly identical.

as I said - 'ven his lawyer said that the facts are not really in dispute.'

Thomson the Lawyer and the Judge have all acknowledged that there is no admission to the card usage, Misrepresenting part of the text is dishonest, I point to your comprehension which repeatedly shows a weakness partially in an attempt to defend your honesty.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #122 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:42pm

cods wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

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what angers me most about the Thomson affair is not so much Thomson himself but his supporters. The fact that there are people defending not so much his innocence - as that is long gone -

but the right of the man to (allegedly) do what he has done.

That is the culture that needs to be removed and it is a labor/union culture.

I added the word 'allegedly,' so I can reply. Melielongtime, show me a post by anyone who has condoned, or defended what Thomson is alleged to have done.

be honest aussie.. some on here have given this man a lot of benefit of the doubt..

this case goes right back to 2007..he had the exPM support for a loooooog time. he had the support of the ALP paying his legal bills.he was even given his chance in Parliament.

some on here have said it wasnt him it was Jackson in fact they have more than accused Jackson.they have c&p the vilest things about her...all to make this man look like butter wouldnt melt.....

even the spelling of his name in a photocopy.. which as far as I am aware no one accept photo copies of anything as proof.. yet we have been bombarded with all that.as well you would know..

no one knows if he is innocent or guilty we can only go on what is in the public arena..

but after his appearance in Parliament I know what I believe..

and the test for him will be if he does run in Dobell and we shall how many people believe he is innocent.. wont we..

thats where it really counts..

some on here have said it wasnt him it was Jackson

To my knowledge nobody said that it was Jackson though it looks like Jackson was doing the same type of things and has taken action to protect herself by throwing others into the shite. It is also known that Jackson was sleeping with the 2IC of the group doing the investigation that cleared her and found against Thomson and that she delivered a lot of the evidence to the investigation which took a long time in transit leaving the probability that not all the evidence against her made it to the investigation. She also had access to the progress of the investigation. All improper and all tainting the outcome.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #123 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 10:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:20pm:

interesting highlighted bit. Even his lawyer said that the facts are not really in dispute. So the claims about the hookers are... TRUE. after all the years of denying them.

Even his lawyer said that the facts are not really in dispute

No he said that they didn't intend to dispute the facts at the moment.

They have specifically stated that it does not mean that they do not dispute the other claims just that if he was entitled to use the card then the other claims are irrelevant.

I don't see him winning the point but the likely results do not make it OK for people to be telling lies about what has been said.

With the level of your comprehension skills I have to wonder if English is your first language?

I wouldn't discuss comprehension if I were you. His lawyer said that they were unlikely to dispute the facts of the case. How is then incorrect to ssy - as I said - 'ven his lawyer said that the facts are not really in dispute.'

the statements are semanticly identical.

as I said - 'ven his lawyer said that the facts are not really in dispute.'

Thomson the Lawyer and the Judge have all acknowledged that there is no admission to the card usage, Misrepresenting part of the text is dishonest, I point to your comprehension which repeatedly shows a weakness partially in an attempt to defend your honesty.

you are facing 174 charges. you say that you do not disagree with the facts but then say you don't admit to using the card which is the subject of all 174 charges??? exactly what facts is he agreeing with if he is not agreeing to the facts in the charges?? I find this to be a curiously circular argument. And so I ask you and aussie... wen he says he is not disputing the facts of the charges then what the hell is he no disputing?

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #125 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

"There's not much by way of factual dispute at the moment," must mean something different to you than most others.

You could interpret this the way you have if it were not for the rest of the points made but when all parties have openly stated that your interpretation is incorrect and that there is in fact no admission I think you should accept the fact that you are wrong. The Judge said you are wrong, Thomson said you are wrong and the Lawyer said you are wrong - get it ???
On the Thomson side it means that there is no point starting by talking about or arguing on what the money was spent on if the right to spend it anyway existed.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #126 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:57pm

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wen he says he is not disputing the facts of the charges then what the hell is he no disputing?

I think you have made a break-through, by accident. As I have been trying to tell you, no-one (outside the parties) knows what facts have been agreed, and your problem is that you are over-reading what has been said by the Lawyer. He did not say "he is not disputing the facts of/in the charges," he said that (a) of some facts we (that's us) cannot identify, (b) there is likely to be little dispute.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #127 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

There were people on here happy that Thomson would get away with it and stay in parliament just to stop Tony Abbott winning a no confidence vote.

There seems some very light morality these days.

The only reason that Thomson was perused so relentlessly was for that same vote. Williamson was not perused with the same vigour and neither was Jackson etc. Whether Thomson is guilty or not the exercise has been a political witch hunt from the beginning.

Had he been out in the community there would have been no real fuss at all, that is a fact while it may reflect poorly on the community it is still true.

just to stop Tony Abbott

Very important for Australia to stop the TAbbott danger.

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Reply #128 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:01am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

The only reason that Thomson was perused so relentlessly was for that same vote. Williamson was not perused with the same vigour and neither was Jackson etc. Whether Thomson is guilty or not the exercise has been a political witch hunt from the beginning.

Had he been out in the community there would have been no real fuss at all, that is a fact while it may reflect poorly on the community it is still true.

just to stop Tony Abbott

I dispute that dna..

THOMO put himself out there to be voted in as an MP....

Williamson and Jackson did not..

dont you think we have every right to believe anyone that is an MP.. is at the least HONEST and above BEING DRAGGED THROUGH THE COURTS FOR STEALING.

you seem to believe that being a member of parliament should give him or anyone I guess special treatment..

I dont happen to believe that in fact I expect Better if not MORE from our members and I dont care which side they are on..

maybe its time you started expecting more instead of always finding and excuse for their behavior...

if he had been in the private sector... even a copper he would have been suspended from day one....

sorry if its a crime to expect more from our parliamentarians..

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #129 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:24am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

matty wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

Lobo wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

matty wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Why would anyone support Thommo?

Maybe they think he is innocent ??

I could equally ask how anyone could support Abbott I don't understand that either.

1. He's more or less admitted that he did do it.
2. What has Abbott done on the same level?

He has??

'More or less', eh???

Do tell......

He's pleading guilty to the charges.

He is??

"Embattled federal MP Craig Thomson has signalled for the first time he may be willing to make concessions over his alleged use of a union credit card to pay for porn and prostitutes, and his legal team has successfully argued for the case to be heard in a lower court."

it is good to see you supporting labors criminals - people who take half a million dollars of union money and spend it on himself and hookers. Its bad enough that labor has these people in its ranks; it is worse that dopes like you support him.

When was he convicted of taking union money and spending it on himself and hookers?

Did this happen yesterday? Undecided

he was ARRESTED for the charges and has appeared in court more than once.

Being arrested, and subsequently appearing in court, is not the same as being convicted of a crime.

Here, this may help you:

http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/legal_system.html

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #131 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:44am

I think Thommo is a slime bag.

Has anyone stopped and thought about what kind of deals may have been sealed because Thommo bought them a root?

For all we know Thommo's drinks and hookers could have sealed a substantial amount of funding for the Union.

Please dont carry on like this doesnt happen anywhere else. How many other big business deals have been settled over a lap dance?

Try walking into a strippers on Friday or Saturday night in Pitt St Sydney, its full of suits and ties.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #132 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 12:16pm

Verge wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

I think Thommo is a slime bag.

Has anyone stopped and thought about what kind of deals may have been sealed because Thommo bought them a root?

For all we know Thommo's drinks and hookers could have sealed a substantial amount of funding for the Union.

Please dont carry on like this doesnt happen anywhere else. How many other big business deals have been settled over a lap dance?

Try walking into a strippers on Friday or Saturday night in Pitt St Sydney, its full of suits and ties.

thats right just ask rudd.. and Macdonald. and Obeid.. they all like hookers.and strip clubs.

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #133 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 12:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

matty wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

Lobo wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

matty wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Why would anyone support Thommo?

Maybe they think he is innocent ??

I could equally ask how anyone could support Abbott I don't understand that either.

1. He's more or less admitted that he did do it.
2. What has Abbott done on the same level?

He has??

'More or less', eh???

Do tell......

He's pleading guilty to the charges.

He is??

"Embattled federal MP Craig Thomson has signalled for the first time he may be willing to make concessions over his alleged use of a union credit card to pay for porn and prostitutes, and his legal team has successfully argued for the case to be heard in a lower court."

it is good to see you supporting labors criminals - people who take half a million dollars of union money and spend it on himself and hookers. Its bad enough that labor has these people in its ranks; it is worse that dopes like you support him.

When was he convicted of taking union money and spending it on himself and hookers?

Did this happen yesterday? Undecided

he was ARRESTED for the charges and has appeared in court more than once.

Are you saying that the poor bugger is on par with Tony Abbott ???

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Re: Why would anyone support Thommo?
Reply #134 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 12:39pm

cods wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

I think Thommo is a slime bag.

Has anyone stopped and thought about what kind of deals may have been sealed because Thommo bought them a root?

For all we know Thommo's drinks and hookers could have sealed a substantial amount of funding for the Union.

Please dont carry on like this doesnt happen anywhere else. How many other big business deals have been settled over a lap dance?

Try walking into a strippers on Friday or Saturday night in Pitt St Sydney, its full of suits and ties.

thats right just ask rudd.. and Macdonald. and Obeid.. they all like hookers.and strip clubs.

Why not ask the Guy who was renowned for organising the best Blue nights at Parlament house ???

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